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Life and death and guns

I see there is another gun massacre in the USA.
Big hugs to the victims and their families.
Please, USA, ban the gun. Your gun culture is costing far too many innocent lives.
TexChik · F
sorry, the attack on freedom is happening. Guns will not be banned. The biggest cost of innocent lives is abortion.
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
@Roadsterrider Like banning guns? As other western countries have done- successfully. It works everywhere else - are the people of the USA so fixated with playing with things that bang- and kill?
TexChik · F
@HarrietteSpeedy American's will not allow our freedoms to be taken away. When the government (biden) stoops to lies, omissions, and propaganda to try and fool Americans into giving up their freedom, you know its bullsh..
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
@TexChik By freedoms do you mean the freedom to carry guns? Is that really more important than the rights of children to live? Evidently it is, judging by the hysterical response to anybody who wishes to take away firearms from the hands murderers and idiots.
carpediem · 61-69, M
Better stay away and focus on your own little island. Stay out of US issues. You clearly don’t understand the complexities.
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
@carpediem Or maybe facts? Statistics about gun deaths is hardly rhetoric. The reality is that the gun death rate in the USA is appalling.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@carpediem The British were trying to secure the armory at concord when the revolution started. They are the reason we have the second amendment.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@HarrietteSpeedy Statistics make sense to me when talking about preserving life, 100,000 people a year die from overdoses, Fentanyl being a big share of that, more than twice the number of people who die from firearms, and over 50% of firearm related deaths are suicides. And the kicker to me looking at these statistics is that drugs are already prohibited. They are completely illegal in every city, in every state in the US. They are totally banned from private recreational use. Yet they can be found in every city in every state. Likewise, prostitution is banned illegal in all but one state, yet there are prostitutes in just about every place you could look. Banning things doesn't work, it only creates a criminal market for whatever got banned.
BlueVeins · 22-25
Gun laws are probably a good idea, but it'd also be pretty lit if we didn't design a social environment that alienates children so much that stealing a family member's firearm and blasting their own classmates' heads off feels like a remotely reasonable course of action.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@2Kai2Human Much like literally every other political issue, I put this one partially down to car dependent infrastructure and zoning.
2Kai2Human · 18-21
@BlueVeins That's been something I've been thinking about a lot more lately (the more I watch civil planning YouTube channels). I haven't done the research to have a clear opinion on it, but if we're talking about differences between the U.S. and other nations that don't have these problems, that's a major difference.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@2Kai2Human Honestly I'm sure it's at least partly down to this being one of the relatively few political issues that seriously impacts my privileged ass, but I get so fucking angry and worked up over the way our infrastructure is designed. And it's just so inefficient, and so many people fucking die over it. I feel that if we spent nearly as much time worrying about the thousands of people killed by cars each year as we do about the hundreds killed in mass-shootings, we might be a lot further along in making real progress.
dakotaviper · 51-55, M
The problem here is that over 90% of these mass shootings are happening in Urban Environments where Victims are abundant and also where the majority of the Gun Bans exist. Now many of you in Europe think that All of America is like Boston, New York City, Miami, Chicago, San Franciso, or Los Angeles. You couldn't be further from the truth. There are vast areas here in the USA Today where you can travel One Hundred Miles or more without going through a city larger than 15,000 people. And over 95% of those places don't have Gun Bans at all. We don't have gun problems outside of the Urban areas. So keep your hyperbole to yourselves.
2Kai2Human · 18-21
@MethDozer I can agree with that. I think those "asylums" need to not be abusive shitholes that make everything worse, but I do agree that certain people should be removed from certain societal structures for the benefit of everyone involved.
MethDozer · M
@2Kai2Human Absolutely. I don't think qe need to go back to cramming them into shitholes and lobotmizing everyone so they can easily and cheaply managed but we kinda threw the baby out with the bath water when we decided to stop those past sins we are just going to have notjing at all and to repay for those past sins let every lunatic or dude talking to halucinstions to walk around and force society to walk on eggshells to accomdate their disruptive and sometimes dangerous behaviour.
MethDozer · M
@2Kai2Human I know people and have relatives who refuse to get their children helpnor diagnosises because "then he/she will be labelled and stigmatized as adult". So when they go around others they get teased and picked for their oddball, disruptive, and often obnxoius behaviours by the others. And it's everybody elses fault for that because they didn't accelt them based on those behaviours. Instead of it being a failure to get them placed properly and diagnosed properly and instead deciding to normalize them and have them treated like avergae normal healthy acting and thinking children/teens. They blame everyone else as if these other kids are experienced enough to understand these kids have a mental problem when you're trying to pass them off as normal functioning when they are not, so they get picked on as a weirdo instead of being seen as the handicapped that they are. It's wanting to have your cake and eat it to and isn't good or fair for anyone, including the kid with behavioural problems.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
we'd sooner invade and annex the UK before we gave up our 2nd amendment...
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@HarrietteSpeedy not sure what you gun control advocates don't get... guns will [b]never[/b] be eliminated in the US; they're our Constitutional right and a part of our culture; and even in the unrealistic chance that they were banned, that wouldn't eliminate ownership; and no one, no politician, law enforcement, military, etc. in the world has the balls nor ability to even attempt a door to door gun grab. We're talking about 3/4 of our population, 230 million people that own firearms in the USA; and your solution is to alienate, and criminalize all of them?

you people are terrified of a single, undisciplined, untrained shooter with a single gun? Imagine what a few million pissed off, trained, experienced, gunowners could do to any threat to our liberties...

40,000 militiamen armed with muskets kicked the shit out of England (which by all regards had the most powerful military in the world at the time) in the American Revolution...

So again, a gun ban is [b]never going to happen[/b]; so quit barking about it...
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
@wildbill83 So you are condemning your nation to anarchy and constant murders because of a law passed two and a quarter centuries ago. How backward is that.

Your history is a bit skewed as well. The British (Not English - a totally different entity) military was probably one of the weakest in Europe, with a tiny standing army and no conscription. And Britain was not only fighting the American terrorists (think Taleban there) but, more importantly, France (with the most powerful military in the world), Spain, the Netherlands and Mysore. Add the armed neutrality of the Northern Powers to taste.
Without France, the terrorists and malcontents would have lost (or run away, most likely)

But the history of a long past colonial campaign is another distraction from the real question here of gun control in the present day United States, with is gun worship and disregard for the highest murder rate in the western world.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
The problem isn't the tool used to cause death it is the acceptance of the culture of death. "You are in my way so I will kill you" is common. It is part of demonic left's ideals. Don't want to be pregnant? Kill the baby. Don't agree with your gan rival? Kill him. In a weird combination modern society has become death denying (delay of adulthood) and death embracing. Having grown up in the 60s and 70s in a place where everyone had a rifle or shotgun as a tool there were no firearms related murders. In fact murder was extremely rare. What changed? Well in the 70s abortion became not only accepted but encouraged. As the Pope of the day warned accepting abortion is part of the culture of death. The steady increase in murder by gun or club or knife or fists is attributable to that culture. In that culture the other person is disposable not one to be cherished.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@GoodMorningStarshine I think I mentioned a long dead pope. I am not a catholic. That particular pope had a head on his shoulders unlike the present one who is VERY pro death.
@hippyjoe1955
Canadian murder rate: 2.05 per 100K population
United States murder rate: 5 per 100K population.
The US has more than DOUBLE Canada's murder rate.
And GUNS account for ALL the difference.



Stop playing stupid. It's the guns dude.
@hippyjoe1955 pro death now? As Opposed to the peaceful history of religions. That’s funny.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
keep blaming the tool, we'll never fix the real problem and just pretend it doesn't exist
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand The real problem is a lack of maturity perhaps, or a belief that 'freedom' means one has to own a gun.
dakotaviper · 51-55, M
@HarrietteSpeedy tell that to the Ukrainian's then. They had to ask for guns from everyone else since they didn't have any.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@dakotaviper it's a troll don't feed it
This guy bought his AR15, 2 hours before killing the doctor that did a back surgery on him. Killed the doctor and a few others. I wonder if he would have trusted the Doctor had the Doctor not been Black,?
dakotaviper · 51-55, M
@Jwalker problem for you about the Uvalde Texas shooter is why did he buy those AR-15's. He bought two of the most expensive AR-15's that you can buy and NO ONE is questioning why he did that when at the same Gun Store, he could have bought that same caliber AR-15 for under $450.

Here's what I think:
Somebody found this kid, put him into a mindset that people where trying to put him in his place, told him to buy those AR-15s and not the cheaper ones, and then turned him loose.
dakotaviper · 51-55, M
@soar2newhighs pawn shops are regulated.
All Pawn Shops who accept firearms for cash tendered must have a Type 2 Federal Firearms License as well as each employee must have either a Type 1, 2, or 3 FFL.
dakotaviper · 51-55, M
@MethDozer I may be wrong here (I hope that I am), the IRS is one of the very few Federal Agencies that don't need a warrant to search your possessions.
Ramrod · 46-50, M
Someone has to pull the trigger,mental health is one of the real problems,many of these people have warning signs and society ignores them.
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
@Ramrod If they didn't have a trigger to press, then there would be less of a problem.
Theyitis · 31-35, M
@Ramrod So you’re going to blame all those deaths on friends and family for not catching the warning signs? That’s a lot of pressure.
Yup.
Canada is like a smaller America without the guns, and they've had about 1 school shooting for every 100 in America, in the last 20 years.
MethDozer · M
@SnailTeeth Canada has lots, and lots of guns too. It's culture and services that's the big difference between us
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout I caught the very las few seconds of his talk, a few minutes ago. He was speaking in his soft voice, ending it with a Psalm. For a man who “ apparently” is concerned, he did what he’s done before. He turned his back on the media and pathetically walked away, answering NO questions. I hope I’m able to see it in full so I can see what he put forth.
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout I did get to see his whole speech. IMO, as far as dealing with the issue of gun violence, nothing really new. Raising the age from 18 to 21 won’t be a major factor is preventing gun violence.
Based on the latest two incidents, Uvalde and OKLAHOMA, there appeared to have been a major crack that was fallen through in the area of background checks.
His discussion of taking swabs for DNA purposes was totally uncalled for.
Last, his swipe at our Constitution which he was called out for, as, factually incorrect.
Confined · 51-55, M
Biden has given our country to communist China. Civil war could happen any time. Need to keep our guns to defend our country.
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
@Confined Against who? Primary school kids? People in shopping malls or patients in hospitals?
1490wayb · 56-60, M
to save most innocent lives abortion would need to be outlawed
1490wayb · 56-60, M
@HarrietteSpeedy the title says LIFE...DEATH before guns...it also mentions innocent lives...so there is no diversion on my part. just stating what should be obviously logical
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
@1490wayb If I had wished to discuss abortion I would have mentioned the fact. If you wish to do so, start another threat.
@1490wayb false equivalence bro.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
"So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot." -George Orwell-

"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." -Ronald Reagan-
I am curious to know two things:,1. How many times have you been in the U.S.? 2. And in those those times what was it that you did to ameliorate the gun problems you saw and see here?
BlueVeins · 22-25
@soar2newhighs The Hell is the principle we're tryna set up here? By this logic, I also can't condemn North Korean gulags, that's fucking dumb.
@BlueVeins I simply want him to expound on how to deal with our gun culture. Perhaps he has not been in this country ( he did not reply) but is armchair quarterbacking with his “ gun culture” comment. He paints with a broad brush. Appreciate your input but I’d definite want his input.
Lilymoon · F
Agree. 😣
I sometimes wonder if the NRA runs America.
@Lilymoon And you would not be wrong. It certainly owns at least half of our government.
Really · 80-89, M
@roadsterrider; Aw, poor baby. "The British made me do it."
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Really If you have no knowledge of American history or divining the intent of those who were part of writing the constitution, maybe it would be better to refrain from sarcastic remarks then. Again as far as blame goes, blaming implies an injustice or a wrong done to a party. I am pointing out the cause of the second amendment, I am on the colonists side, I commend the writers of the constitution and the 13 original colonies for insisting that language be incorporated into the document that did not allow their fledgling government to turn them into subjects of the crown. There is no blame to place, if Gen. Gage was still here I would send him a thank you card for making his intent known and allowing my forefathers to stop him in his attempt.
Really · 80-89, M
@Roadsterrider I offer no criticism about the writing of your country's constitution, only about the current violent society that seems to have arisen from the way it's being interpreted. Sorry if f you don't see that.

As for a pedantic semantic argument about using the words 'blame' or 'cause' in the present context; fly at it - Just thrash it out among yourself.

I won't respond to you further on this subject.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Really I never said anything about criticism, I mentioned a sarcastic comment, you entered the conversation with "Aw, poor baby", arrogant and condescending. No value, to the comment, and no direction except sarcasm. I am not here to do "my worst" at anything. I try to respect others and I expect the same.
Really · 80-89, M
[quote]54% of gun deaths in america were suicides 43% were murders 446 out of the 45,222 gun related deaths[/quote][c=804600][i]43% were murders 446 out of the 45,222[/i][/c] - what kind of strange arithmetic is this - or is it just that you don't understand how to use the language??
Mak03 · 18-21, F
@Really it is a punctuation problem 446 deaths of the 45222 total gun deaths were a result of a mass shooting
Really · 80-89, M
@Mak03 It's how to use the language then. How would you punctuate your original statement so that it would be intelligible?
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
Addressing Mass Shootings And Guns In America: A Time To Take A Deep Breath And A Collective Pause - A Time For Calm And A Time To Analyze All The Factors Which Contribute To Such Tragedies
http://allnewspipeline.com/A_Time_To_Analyze_All_Factors_Which_Contribute_To_Such_Tragedies.php
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
At the minimum at least limit them in metro areas. Yet I don't even see that happening.

As greed breeds more greed, fanaticism breeds even more fanatics.
Changeisgonnacome · 56-60, F
Canada is about to get rid of all its pistols and assault rifles. Not the USA!
Carazaa · F
Absolutely true!🙏 May God give them wisdom to change!
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
@Concretedust That seems to be the level of intelligence of those who discount the murders of school children so they can have the 'freedom' to play at cowboys and indians with their lethal toys.
@HarrietteSpeedy it may, doesnt mean i personally do though.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M

 
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