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Life and death and guns

I see there is another gun massacre in the USA.
Big hugs to the victims and their families.
Please, USA, ban the gun. Your gun culture is costing far too many innocent lives.

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dakotaviper · 56-60, M

The problem here is that over 90% of these mass shootings are happening in Urban Environments where Victims are abundant and also where the majority of the Gun Bans exist. Now many of you in Europe think that All of America is like Boston, New York City, Miami, Chicago, San Franciso, or Los Angeles. You couldn't be further from the truth. There are vast areas here in the USA Today where you can travel One Hundred Miles or more without going through a city larger than 15,000 people. And over 95% of those places don't have Gun Bans at all. We don't have gun problems outside of the Urban areas. So keep your hyperbole to yourselves.

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MethDozer · M

@dakotaviper Most of these mass shootings and school shootings happen in the suburbs.

dakotaviper · 56-60, M

@MethDozer still part of the Urban Areas.

MethDozer · M

@dakotaviper What part of the word suburbs don't you understand?

dakotaviper · 56-60, M

@MethDozer Oh MY BAD! Uvalde, Texas is not part of the Houston Metropolitan Area then. Just like saying Ecorse is not part of the Detroit Metropolitan Area or Riverside and Compton is not part of the Los Angeles Metropolitan Area since they're just lowly suburbs.

MethDozer · M

@dakotaviper Metropolitan area is not synonymous with urban area. So yeah, your bad

dakotaviper · 56-60, M

@MethDozer well I bet the hair on my backside that you can drive from Downtown Detroit on Fort Street and not see one farm or pasture until you get to the southside of Flatrock Michigan. It's been at least 20 years since I've driven it and it may be past Monroe by now before you see one.

MethDozer · M

@dakotaviper And your vacuous point is?

You also mention Riverside, which the inland empire has a shit ton of farmland near it.

SilkandLace2 · 46-50, M

@dakotaviper well said

dakotaviper · 56-60, M

@MethDozer that's weird. Inland Empire..............hmmm.......says here 148.52 acres. That's a shit-ton to you. Kind of makes the 714 acres that my parents own in the Midwest very insignificant then.

MethDozer · M

@dakotaviper Yeah factory farming is a cancer.

I've been to the inland empire, it is [b]Surrounded[/b], as in adjacent to lots of farming. You moved the goal posts.

MethDozer · M

@dakotaviper also, the point is that your arguement that school and mall shootings happen because not enough of us are subsidized rural farmers is dumb af.

dakotaviper · 56-60, M

@MethDozer subsidized? keep smoking the meth, since your brain is so addled that you think somewhere like Momeyer, NC or Wellston, MI, or Norton, VA, or Jaspar, IN, or some other small town / city is a cesspool of violent gun crazy shootists.

MethDozer · M

@dakotaviper when did I say those podunck middle of nowhere places were cesspools of crazed shooters?

I don't indulge in meth use. I'm not midwesterner.

SW-User

@dakotaviper Mass shootings have nothing to do with gun bans.

MethDozer · M

@SW-User Not really. Honestly much of it has to do with our victim culture and celebrating it and us desperately trying to normalize and integrate those with severaly abnormal behaviours. Because " we don't want to stigmatize them".

SW-User

@MethDozer Eh, I think there are many factors. I think it also has to do with purposeless young men venting their emotional frustrations with violence when society offers them nothing else.

MethDozer · M

@SW-User I hear that to a point but am weary of it because it starts to get MRA and incel adjacent.

SW-User

@MethDozer Well, I'm not sympathizing with them, but if we want to understand why mass shootings happen we have to look at what shooters have in common and the fact that a lot of them are socially awkward, bullied young men with little direction has to mean [i]something[/i].

I don't think it's a fear of stigmatizing mental illness and abnormal behaviors as much as it's just not knowing what to do about mental illness and those behaviors.

From everything I've read, the Uvalde shooter should've set off many red flags years ago, yet no significant action was taken.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@dakotaviper Read up babe

https://www.nal.usda.gov/legacy/topics/agricultural-subsidies

MethDozer · M

@SW-User That's the thing though. You research and dig deeper and the whole they were bullied thing is kind of a myth. In just as many cases they are or were the bullies.

But you're right, often, most often there are numerous red flags over years that are ignored by family, teachers, and police and that's exactlt what I am talking about with the normalizing abnormal behaviors because we don't want to stigmatize.

SW-User

@MethDozer I don't think it's because we don't want to stigmatize though. I think it's partly parents not wanting to admit their children have problems, not having the resources to deal with it, or the fact that people like this can go through life being ignored by others, so who would have the means to do anything about it unless they seek help themselves?

MethDozer · M

@SW-User Like it used to be that if your illness caused certain behaviours that got you pulled from refular class or society and put into special schools and homes to be monitored. We don't do that anymore because we want everyone to feel normal and " it isn't their fault they are ill and can't help it" but that is irrelevant and dangerously faulty reasoning.

MethDozer · M

@SW-User Nobody is allowed to do anything about anymore. School staff, doctors, and law enforcmwnt are powerless to force them into systems to monitor and maintain them these days. A lot of it comes down the mental health asylum reforms during rhe Reagan administration.

MethDozer · M

@SW-User Like if little billy gets caught mutilating an animal or has screaking outburst in class where he starts flaing fists at the teacher he doesn't belong in yhe general population of people and students and should be commited to a place that can deal with that.

SW-User

@MethDozer I can agree with that. I think those "asylums" need to not be abusive shitholes that make everything worse, but I do agree that certain people should be removed from certain societal structures for the benefit of everyone involved.

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