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A big part of society are transphobic but they think they aren't as long as they don't physically attack trans people

I've noticed that a large amount of people are pushing transphobic views but they claim it's not transphobic and that it is to help.

The true intention is probably to help, but fact is its transphobia to be against trans rights. Such rights as if your teenage child say they are trans, you dismissing it as a phase or immaturity, is transphobic. Whether you like it or not. It's classified as transphobic.

Think about it. Why would anyone feel good about their family or friends or strangers online minimizing their identity and their decision in who they are? They are the ones to decide about their body and who they are. Not you, not me, not their classmates, partner, siblings, parents, teachers, therapists. No one else but themselves decide over their body.

To respect that also automatically teaches kids that no one can claim their bodies or want something with their bodies. So if you wanna prevent grooming and predators, respect your kids identity, take them seriously, respect your kids. They're humans too.
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Do you actually know anything about raising children? 🤔 also you do realize that it depends on the child, their age, and whether they really are sincere in their wish to identify as the opposite gender?Children are highly underdeveloped and it is a fact that we don't stop maturing until mid to late twenties, which means people my age even have some years to go until their brains are no longer developing. If our brains do not stop developing until mid to late twenties, how is it appropriate to allow children younger than the age of 18 to decide to change their gender, even going to extreme physical lengths to do so? If you're interested to know, an extreme physical length would be having hormone therapy (very dangerous when you are a youth) and surgery, which is potentially very dangerous to anyone. Many transgendered individuals regret their surgery because they find it has taken the "joy" out of identifying as the opposite gender and introduced them to the realities of physically adopting a new one. A few or some women would say that it's not easy being a woman, but many biological men would say that it's physically and mentally painful to become and live as one. People are so blind to the medical realities of transitioning...it's disturbing and ignorant.

Any good parent will know that they should always empathize with their children. However, one of the most important components to parenting is responsibility. You have to be responsible, sensible, and provide your child with appropriate guidance...submitting to their every whim and not questioning them when necessary is absolutely NOT that. This is how we create spoiled and overindulged children who lack responsibility in life, and who will never come to properly understand discipline and boundaries.

To summarize, if adults wish to transition, that is their decision. Children can't transition and that is something those on the progressive left will have to come to accept. Similarly, you shouldn't be encouraging children to toy with ideas around gender identity and changing one's gender.
Jen5150 · 51-55, T
You can’t regulate someone’s ideas or feelings… been tried before without good results. Read and understand later part of last century .
what personal issues that a child might be having is between the CHILD and their parents. Nobody else unless the parents decide to seek additional assistance ( obviously within guidelines of the child’s safety)
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@dale74 Transgender isn't a sexual orientation?

It's an identity. You're a man? That's an identity.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@dale74 The lgbtq+ people don't want you to blindly respect them when they do wrong actions, if they are robbing a person of course they won't get respect. But they need approval to exist because of the history where transgendered and gay people were demolished for who they were or who they were sexually attracted to. They want safety and confirmation.
dale74 · M
@Queendragonfly you don't need approval to exist that's bullshit. I don't seek approval when I go start a new business I don't seek approval when I do something with my family I don't need other people's approval fuck other people. You are demanding others approve that's making others a slave. It doesn't matter what others think if it does then you aren't confident in yourself. Do what they want to do that's fine but what others think shouldn't matter to them you can't control others or they have no free choice.
Punches · 46-50, F
In the real world, most trans people do not get bothered if they are just trying to blend into everyday society. I think a lot of the ones who do face problems are the "loud and proud" ones.

I am kind of on the fence about trans kids issues though.

I do not think having drag queens going to schools to entertain, even if it is clean, reflects well on the trans community. I do not know why anyone thought that was a good idea.

I do think if someone is going to physically transition young, it would probably be best to wait a couple years from the time they "come out" instead of rushing. Plenty of counseling and living the part without medical procedures.

There is a rock and a hard place though for the young ones -
If they do it too soon and later decide it wasn't right, the damage is done.
If they wait too long and develop secondary s3x characteristics, it is much harder, if not impossible, to change things.

The only good part about the second scenario is that trans is slowly becoming more accepted, even with the recent set backs. So eventually it may not even matter if they pass as their chosen gender or not.
But time will tell.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@Punches Do you know what counts as a transphobe because I do.
Punches · 46-50, F
@Queendragonfly I guess since I have never had to experience this "Transphobe" thing first hand, I should watch what I say.
And yeah, I will agree that you have extensive knowledge about many subjects.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@Punches Thanks for listening. The irony of this is I at first didn't know I was advocating transphobe opinions either. But after I learned my mistake I decided to send the message forward as I noticed there are a large group of people who mean well and unintentionally harm trans people.
calicuz · 56-60, M
I humbly disagree. To use "phobic" at the end is to say there is a fear. Many times there is no fear of something like trans, but in fact just out right bigotry. So the best course of action is to not blanket everything as transphobic, but cautiously find the underlying reason for the opposition and call it what it is. If there is fear, then call it Transphobic, if it is a hate, then call it bigotry, if it is a religious belief, then explain that no one can force their religious beliefs on anyone else. IMHO of course.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@helsbels You can be concerned when your amazon package will arrive. You can be concerned what harms someone. But if you ask every single trans person. What harms them is you, a cis person thinking you know what they need. Based on your weird fears and prejudices, thinking they are just a label, or a religion. Extremely harmful. Imagine if you said being women is just a religion?
helsbels · 31-35, F
@Queendragonfly Concern = safeguarding.

I am concerned my possessions will be stolen so I lock the door. Is it fearful? Maybe but it's a sensible and proportional precaution.

(Waiting for this to be twisted in to 'so you think a trans people are a threat and should be eliminated'???)
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@helsbels Who of your trans friends asked you to call their identity a label and their identity a religion?

If you're guarding someone's safety. You should do the opposite of what transphobes do.
helsbels · 31-35, F
I see where you are coming from but don't agree with this because the accusation of 'transphobia' is applied so loosely and frequently... I am not transphobic, but have questions/opinions that would be labelled as such.

'fact is its transphobia to be against trans rights'

By virtue of being 'trans', what rights does that entitle someone to, beyond the basic human rights we all have? I would argue against the 'right' of a person who identifies as a different gender automatically and without question taking on the sex based rights of (in the case of a transwomen) people born female. For example, taking part in sport 'as that gender'. Disagreement is not the same as hate. It isn't a case of 'you have to be entirely, 100% behind us or else you're entirely, 100% against us'.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@helsbels Maybe we should tag a trans woman who can tell you the same thing as I did, so you stop trying to gaslight and minimize this as some crazy joke because that's concerning if anything. If they say they feel dehumanized by everything transphobic you've stated here , will you listen then?

Will you ever?
helsbels · 31-35, F
@Queendragonfly What a joke.

Get someone in to mansplain to the woman. Put me in my place. Because their word is worth more than mine. I can link you to transpeople who agree with my viewpoint, are they transphobes and hateful?
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@helsbels Have you ever visited the official website for transgenders? It's not a joke site, I assure you that.

All your "concerns" are under the tab "What is Transphobic?"
Mine was too. I hope you can be brave and see what I saw.
Torsten · 36-40, M
is it transphobic to be against children being chemically sterilized and operated on when healthy? I will gladly take that transphobic label if thats the case.
We dont let children drink, smoke, get tattoos and so on but its now abuse not to let them get all sorts of unnecessary medical changes done to them?
yeah dont think so.
In my book that is straight up abuse
Lanie78 · 46-50, F
I believe everyone is entitled to live in whichever way makes them feel happy. Providing it isn't harming anyone else.
Now everyone is entitled to an opinion. No-one has to agree with it.
I do however think that the world has gone completely mad regarding the trans community, different genders etc.
Biologically, if you're born as either a male or female you are still biologically either that, male or female.
If people choose to live as the opposite sex then fine, that's entirely their choice and they should do what makes them happy.
There is though only two genders.
People's sexuality is their business.
I find both men and women attractive but choose to be heterosexual. It's a choice.
People's attitudes are divided, how many handle things can be questionable and not always very PC.
Hate is never acceptable, and my belief is no-one should force their views, but still be accepting of how others wish to live, if it isn't harming anyone else.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Lanie78
Biologically, if you're born as either a male or female you are still biologically either that, male or female.

Nobody's disputing that, you're shadow-boxing with an imaginary sex-denier. What transgender people are changing is their gender, as implied by the structure of the word.
LOL AND Where oh where did you see this so called "Hate/attacks"..


Hmmm was it the so called bloody "fantastic news" and online sites plus search engines such as ShitGoogle..


Don't you see that they are following a narrative to get to sheep and the masses to believe their shit BS "story".


Maybe some do get hurt but most might be fake or trying to get sympathy (boo hoo sob story) 🤦‍♀️🙄








And have you not seen what they are doing themselves, maybe they are the biggest PROBLEM and trying to turn it on others to make them seem the "bad one".


READ OTHER Pages and news not the ones spreading the same narrative. Think for yourself and DO RESEARCH instead of following blindly like a sheep/dodo.






Read this as it is good:
Even worse, the transgender movement has become a movement of bullies. They’ll “cancel” anyone who refuses to get on board with compelled speech. They’ve tried to destroy the career of a successful Black man who dared to joke about what bullies the activist wing of the LGBT movement have become. They’ve threatened and bullied a single mother who started writing books while she collected welfare to keep her family thriving and went on to become the creator of one of the most loved fictional characters of all time and became one of the richest authors in the world. They’ve threatened teenage girls with legal action and public shaming when they dare to complain about being forced to compete against boys identifying as girls.

The “movement transgenders” have become steadily more aggressive in their bullying tactics, but most disturbingly they have become terribly misogynistic.

They constantly silence the voices of women. They hurl misogynistic, vile names at women like J.K. Rowling who simply defend the biological reality of womanhood. They label her and other women who don’t toe the trans line as TERFs — trans-exclusionary, radical feminists. Did you catch that? You’re a “radical” for opposing the erasure of womanhood from the public square.

The movement bullies even object to language that describes women as women. Pregnant mothers are now “pregnant people” and females are “people who menstruate.”



And in an even crazier twist of logic, some lesbians are beginning to object to the erasure of gender that is embedded in the transgender movement. In the UK, some say they are experiencing disturbing pressure to have sex with transgender women and expressed their concerns to the BBC.









Also these fake women who are still really men have serious problems and some have been shown to shoot people and others RAPE Girls and Women..Do you like that?






SO RIGHT..LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, Hmmmm sooooooooooooo in A LOT OF COUNTRIES YOU Have To Be 18 or even 21 HaHaHa to buy alcohol but children are being brainwashed and seemingly able to get their sex/gender changed!!


This is really fucked up as children do not KNOW What they want!.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@PrincessRoarBuddy To be dismissed for harassing (discrimination and bad mouthing) any group is not to be bullied. JK choose her values and if they are hateful and harassing a group, she'll face very unpleasant reactions from the public. As you make your bed you'll sleep.

Did you know that because of JKs fear of trans women, trans women are afraid to use the women's bathroom?

One user here was assaulted when she had to decide "Which bathroom is the least risk of assault? "

Do you think it's ok to treat someone that way? Do you think anyone need to think which bathroom is the least risk of getting harassed and abused for being trans?


Before JK opened her mouth all who identified as women chose the women's bathroom. But after JK puked hate on trans women, they think they maybe belong better in the men's bathroom. Unfortunately men who's transphobe tend to severely abuse or even kill trans women. They are much more dangerous since they go to physical assault very fast. And they tend to like to beat up trans women.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@PrincessRoarBuddy This is some of the shittiest formatting I've ever seen in my life. My eyes are bleeding.

And in an even crazier twist of logic, some lesbians are beginning to object to the erasure of gender that is embedded in the transgender movement. In the UK, some say they are experiencing disturbing pressure to have sex with transgender women and expressed their concerns to the BBC.

Hmmm was it the so called bloody "fantastic news" and online sites plus search engines such as ShitGoogle..

🤔
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@BlueVeins I thought I was the only one who went "Huh?"
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
Phobia is a mental disorder diagnosed by psychologists, it is not something you just call anyone who disagrees with your decisions. We're not transphobic, we just don't like it.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@MartinTheFirst So why do you dislike trans people then?
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@MartinTheFirst Du bor I Sverige, vi som toppar en av de mest jämställda landen.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@Queendragonfly What it means is that the fact that someone is trans on its own does not make me dislike a person.
dale74 · M
Here’s a question for you how come straight people don’t go around telling everyone they’re straight. It’s because it’s nobody’s business what you do in the bedroom of your own home with whoever you’re with is only in your business. I would be just as outraged if someone walked over that’s waiting on me for dinner and told me they’re straight I don’t care. Why do trans people in LGBT community mostly trans though why do they want to go around telling everyone I’m trans when people don’t care.
dale74 · M
@Punches I have six very close friends who are gay two who are lesbians I don't give a shit their friends because they're there when I need someone to talk to I'm there for them when they need somebody we don't care about each other sexual orientation quit putting sex as the most important thing
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@dale74 Because they must reclaim their rights. Cis people are automatically expected and accepted in society, we have no reason to defend who wr are because society does it for us.
dale74 · M
@Queendragonfly first of all fuck with the word CIS I didn't ask you to give me a nickname just like I don't give a shit about the word transgender gay by we're all people quit thinking you're special
To not understand something that is a relatively new conversation in one’s social culture is not necessarily "phobic", as long as one’s willing to listen. What is difficult is to not know and then be immediately labeled "transphobic" for not understanding or for even asking questions.
@Queendragonfly My starting point is basic human respect, with everyone, and it’s theirs to lose by the way they treat me. This is not a subject I would bring up unless the person did. But some people interpret not completely understanding their situation as disrespect.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@bijouxbroussard You never answered my question. I don't Fi d it an excuse to claim you can say whatever you want as long as you don't understand someone else. If you respect others, you trust that they know better than you who they are and that's all that matters.
@Queendragonfly I did answer your question. I said,
My starting point is basic human respect, with everyone,
This means, everyone starts out with my respect, so obviously I don’t have to know them to treat them with respect. Now whether or not they keep that respect depends on how they treat me, and I don’t think that’s unreasonable. I’m saying honestly that there are some aspects of this subject that I don’t understand. But that doesn’t mean that I would treat anyone unkindly or disrespectfully because of it.

I hope that clarifies things.
Expressman · 61-69
The true intention is probably to help, but fact is its transphobia to be against trans rights. Such rights as if your teenage child say they are trans, you dismissing it as a phase or immaturity, is transphobic. Whether you like it or not. It's classified as transphobic.

You can "classify" it all you want. It's a mental health issues. There's many who are regretting their actions, some quit life, others try to pick up something of a normal life, alone,
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@Expressman Of course it becomes a mental health issue to not feel safe in your own body and have your own parents and soicety discriminate you / fear you / judge you.

As long as it's dehumanized by others it will become a mental struggle.
Matt85 · 36-40, M
Why do so many trans people say they give great blowjobs
SW-User
Live and let live people
Detrimentalpineapple · 26-30, F
From what ive been seeing, people would only accept trans people that are attractive 🙃
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@Detrimentalpineapple Barely even that. Attractive and famous. They are the most accepted ones in lgbtq. Sadly not everyday teens.
Punches · 46-50, F
@Detrimentalpineapple @Queendragonfly Unfortunately that is part of being a woman or even living as one (in the case of trans women)

We know that the better looking someone is, the more forgiving society is of their shortcomings. This is especially true for women and to a lesser extent, trans women.

Also within the trans community for trans women - the better looking ones think they are somehow better than the ones who do not look so good. The "pretty" ones tend to forget that they are still genetically male.

The only thing the better looking ones are accomplishing is fooling people.

 
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