A big part of society are transphobic but they think they aren't as long as they don't physically attack trans people

I've noticed that a large amount of people are pushing transphobic views but they claim it's not transphobic and that it is to help.

The true intention is probably to help, but fact is its transphobia to be against trans rights. Such rights as if your teenage child say they are trans, you dismissing it as a phase or immaturity, is transphobic. Whether you like it or not. It's classified as transphobic.

Think about it. Why would anyone feel good about their family or friends or strangers online minimizing their identity and their decision in who they are? They are the ones to decide about their body and who they are. Not you, not me, not their classmates, partner, siblings, parents, teachers, therapists. No one else but themselves decide over their body.

To respect that also automatically teaches kids that no one can claim their bodies or want something with their bodies. So if you wanna prevent grooming and predators, respect your kids identity, take them seriously, respect your kids. They're humans too.

This page is a permanent link to the reply below and its nested replies. See all post replies »

helsbels · 31-35, F

I see where you are coming from but don't agree with this because the accusation of 'transphobia' is applied so loosely and frequently... I am not transphobic, but have questions/opinions that would be labelled as such.

'fact is its transphobia to be against trans rights'

By virtue of being 'trans', what rights does that entitle someone to, beyond the basic human rights we all have? I would argue against the 'right' of a person who identifies as a different gender automatically and without question taking on the sex based rights of (in the case of a transwomen) people born female. For example, taking part in sport 'as that gender'. Disagreement is not the same as hate. It isn't a case of 'you have to be entirely, 100% behind us or else you're entirely, 100% against us'.

Queendragonfly · 31-35, F

@helsbels Ask yourself. Would you ever go to a women's bodies rights group and go "I see where you are coming from but I don't agree"

And would they feel that you respect women's right over their bodies, or that you are a misogynist?

Then ask yourself. Why is trans rights over their bodies any different?

helsbels · 31-35, F

@Queendragonfly That question doesn't address anything I have said in my post. I have told YOU I don't agree with how people are labelled as transphobic, not that I disagree with trans people about their bodies. They can feel however they want and live how they want *to a point*. But being told 'no' in some cases is not the same as 'denying their right to exist' etc.

helsbels · 31-35, F

@Queendragonfly It is the same as not following another person's religion. They can say 'I believe in this, that and the other' and it's ok for me to say 'fine, but I don't'. I am not against that religion or their right to follow it. But if their religion says they have the right to act however they choose, then society is right to say 'well actually you can't, there are other people to consider'.

Queendragonfly · 31-35, F

@helsbels Are you comparing a gender to a religion?

And you think that's not hateful?

Queendragonfly · 31-35, F

@helsbels You would never compare women's right group to a religion. But you do it with trans people. That's 100% transphobic as you're 100% discriminating and dehumanizing someones person.

Queendragonfly · 31-35, F

@helsbels Transgender isn't a label just like me and you being women's or moms or people isn't a label.

A label is "Dog friend" "Party princess" "Environmentalist" "Christian" "Trouble maker" "Fitness junkie"

It's not an identity. It's a label on top oh the identity which is Man, Woman, Trans man, Trans woman.

helsbels · 31-35, F

@Queendragonfly What happened to you 🤣
We had similar views on this and agreed before on some other posts. It is absolutely fine to change your opinion but you have completely switched sides and are just throwing phrases around.

How am I dehumanizing? You seem an intelligent person so can surely see the comparison I am making but instead of taking that in good faith you call me discriminating and hateful. Having a 'gender identity' is not something that everyone subscribes to, like religion.

Queendragonfly · 31-35, F

@helsbels Maybe we should tag a trans woman who can tell you the same thing as I did, so you stop trying to gaslight and minimize this as some crazy joke because that's concerning if anything. If they say they feel dehumanized by everything transphobic you've stated here , will you listen then?

Will you ever?

helsbels · 31-35, F

@Queendragonfly What a joke.

Get someone in to mansplain to the woman. Put me in my place. Because their word is worth more than mine. I can link you to transpeople who agree with my viewpoint, are they transphobes and hateful?

Queendragonfly · 31-35, F

@helsbels Have you ever visited the official website for transgenders? It's not a joke site, I assure you that.

All your "concerns" are under the tab "What is Transphobic?"
Mine was too. I hope you can be brave and see what I saw.