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Suspect in custody after deadly mass shooting at LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs

A 22-year-old gunman opened fire in a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs, killing five people and leaving more than two dozen injured before he was subdued by "heroic" patrons and arrested by police who were on the scene within minutes, authorities said Sunday.

The violence is the sixth mass killing this month and comes in a year when the nation was shaken by the deaths of 21 in a school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

This is terrible that someone can have access to a gun and just walk into a place and open fire and do so much damage. The motive isn’t clear but it’s speculated that the club was targeted because it’s a LGBTQ2s+ nightclub.

My thoughts go out to all the people that lost loved ones last night.

What are your thoughts?

Read the full story here:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-springs-mass-shooting-club-q/
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
No where else other than in the USA is mass murder with firearms a regular thing..

A REGULAR OCCURRENCE... which means

REOCCURRENCE is something that won't only happen but like clockwork you know it will strike again... and again and again..

A bad guy with guns was stopped by a good guy who took the bad guys handgun from him and beat him with that handgun to stop the shootings... but not before the bad guy who had a long gun had used said long gun to kill five people and to wound over twenty more... So that heroic act stopped the killer and put him in the hospital

It happened before... it is going to happen again....This may have been a hate crime..

If it is a hate crime it is NOT the only recent hate crime....

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/19/us/nyc-jewish-threat-community-arrest

Which details two separate planned attacks on Jews, one in NJ and the other in NYC. A ghost gun with a 30 round magazine was seized... so was a swastika arm band, a big hunting knife and black mask and bullet proof vest.. Threats had been posted on line in both cases leading to arrests being made in both cases..

Easy availability of guns facilitates gun violence

High capacity magazine availability facilitates mass shootings

The acceptability of self defence as a legally permitted option under US law encourages the ownership of firearms designed to kill mass numbers of people for which there is NO other legitimate use.. An AR style firearm with a high capacity magazine is not designed for hunting and it is not a choice fire arm for target practice... it is the civilian version of a military firearm that was designed and intended for one purpose: to kill the enemy in an efficient manner..

It happens no where else in the world. From the (mis) interpretation of the US constitution to US law based upon that (mis) interpretation to an unwillingness or inability to change the law and with one US party embracing division and a recent US president espousing hatred against immigrants and Muslims and refusing to disavow extremist support and inciting violence himself on a repeated basis... well the goons have crawled out from under their rocks and have been emboldened put into practice what they had previously been successfully restrained from doing...

This is not the first incident of anti LBGTQ violence in recent years.. It is far from the only hate crime that has taken place..

and ...

It is going to happen again and again.. and it happens no where else in the world on such a regular basis as it does in the USA..

What do other countries do?

Gun safety courses - mandatory and a pre-requisite to obtaining a license..
Fire arms licenses for the acquisition and possession of both long guns and a separate more stringent license for hand guns. Licences must be shown for the purchase of ammunition.
Limitation of magazine capacity to ten rounds.. Prohibition of higher capacity magazines.
Elimination of Self Defence with a fire arm as an available legal option - safe storage and transport laws for firearms - unloaded and locked or disabled for transport..
No carry permits either open or concealed..
There are two and only two allowable and legitimate uses for fire arms.. Target practice and hunting...
Criminal penalties for contravention...
@pdqsailor1
The oldest hatred in the world is anti semitism.
For those who wonder why Israel exists.. this is why Israel exists.. ONE place in this world where Jews can live and defend themselves effectively. The mission statement for Israel are the words "never again"

Thank you so much for saying this. I just don't think that people realize this, and that, to me, is inconceivable.

And thank you so much for elucidating on all that you said, it is very important, what you wrote, you spelled it out, and I am grateful.

USA has it wrong with firearms rules.
I am in Canada also.
We have most of our family, in Israel.

We left our native country of Latvia, in December of 1979.
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Montanaman · M
@pdqsailor1 i respect your opinion, but i have to disagree with the last two paragraphs.
BlueVeins · 22-25
For anyone who's LGBT or sympathetic to LGBT rights, now's the time to get a passport and a gun. Doubt it coulda helped in this particular situation, but if you think things are bad now, you can't possibly imagine how bad things are going to get on our country's current trajectory. Ghouls like these only understand violence, and the worst of them are not on in nightclubs or on the streets. They reside in our state and national capitols, in our media, in hateful militias all over the countries, working relentlessly day by day to make America less safe millions. Their campaign is far from over.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@BlueVeins isn’t it crazy that it’s come to that though. For a change to happen that you would have to go to those lengths.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@iamonfire696 Aye. Real talk, all these crazy mass-killings are probably more a symptom of other shit than anything else. It's no coincidence that nearly all the school shootings occur out in the suburbs, and most of the economic crime shows up in desperately impoverished inner cities. Some gun laws certainly have merit, but I do worry that they sorta get thrown around to deliberately misidentify the problems. You know?
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@BlueVeins I know exactly what you mean. You are very insightful for your young age.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
It's been a week and this one is fucking with me. A lot of trans friends have shared their incredible fear about just going out in public and how this has been spiked after this, and worsened by people literally saying this was a good thing or the gunman's father going "whew so long as he's not gay".

Like this is not a safe society to be queer and it doesn't matter if they put like, a gay kiss in a Disney movie or something. It's not getting better.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@CountScrofula I agree with you. I have seen some pretty awful things said about LGBT+ people though.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@iamonfire696 Yeah that's what I'm saying.

Although acceptance is greater than ever, the resistance to that acceptance is also the most intense its been since maybe the 90s.

So although my wife's sibling can be out and trans and very visibly queer, they do so at risk of their own personal safety let alone the troubles it can cause with family and work and friends and what have you. And you know, being murdered by a random man.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@CountScrofula I know, it’s terrible. My brothers best friend is a trans woman. I am so happy she can be who she knows that she is but it’s heartbreaking that there are people that think she shouldn’t live because of it.
HikingMan · 51-55, M
The man responsible is a MAGA asshat.....
Filled with hate and no respect for anyone that doesn't live the way he thinks they should.

The religion of Trump
@BackyardShaman A Cop in the area said he was not surprised this happened. A Pastor said "They" are allowed to go to the Police but they are not allowed to come into "My" Church. Unfortunately these Pastors are the same peòple who end up getting caught getting a BJ in a public bathroom.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
@Pitchblue they are always chicken hawks that rape young boys
@BackyardShaman So disgusting that they sexually assault kids while spewing hate and violence toward Gay people. How can you live a life like that? Spewing this special brand of bullshit in the name of God. It really rolls my stomach.
I find the lack of funding around mental health to be so appalling it's a worthy footnote to things but mentally ill people exist in EVERY country and while America is not the ONLY country to ever suffer gun violence there's something uniquely american about it with us getting hit with more of them than everywhere else. Mental illness rates are going to be pretty uniform across the entire planet but somehow we have far more mass shootings than almost everywhere which tells you that while lack of access to mental health services and the lack of funding around it is quite frankly offensive it does NOT mean the primary issue is mental illness. it's the guns, its always been the guns and there's a lobby that's utterly determined to shift the focus away from them. if it were mental illness how is it that every other country seems to handle that one better than we do?
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@BetweenKittensandRiots it’s appalling honestly
@iamonfire696 When it comes to gun violence it is helpful to remember that causation need not be simple. things can have multiple contributing factors. Religion played a role as well.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@BetweenKittensandRiots you are right
calicuz · 56-60, M
I know. It's horrible, it's tragic, and it must stop.
Jeephikelove · 51-55, F
@calicuz exactly!!
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@calicuz I agree, it needs too. That’s heartbreaking 😢
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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@SW-User not as simple as that. A few years ago here in the UK an immigrant went on a stabbing spree killing several people. He was finally killed by a special forces officer with a gun (normal police can't carry). If people were allowed to be armed with single shot guns the knife attacker would have been stopped a lot sooner, maybe immediately. And you could say 'well then the attacker could have used a gun' he would have been shot by a bystander the second he raised it.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@SW-User its not a simple divide between GOP and Democrat or rural vs urban... the numbers of gun owners in the USA is in fact fractional to the general population but the numbers of guns each owns is insane...

I am a gun owner but a very rational one.. I analyzed the laws here and the capabilities of firearms first and concluded that no one needs any more than a 22 calibre rimfire round - the smallest and cheapest ammunition available. One 22 short can pass through three layers of 3/4 plywood and keep on going.. The US military defined lethality as a bullet passing through one layer of half once plywood.. So in terms of variety a single shot bolt action rifle, a lever action carbine which was a valuable gift and like the bolt action can handle 22 short, long and long rifle two semi automatic carbines each of which only takes long rifle one with a plastic stock that can be handled more roughly and one with a wooden stock for indoor range use only... and because the laws were about to change and I was licensed for it one 22 semi automatic target pistol.. That's IT.. four rifles one hand gun and all in the smallest calibre round possible.. Good enough to do anything I am ever going to be interested in doing.. both target shooting or varmint hunting..the ONLY two legal uses required for a fire arm.. and mine are double or triple locked in a vault and unloaded ... in strict accordance with the law..
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Easier to get a gun than to vote in most of the USA, also the NRA gets way better treatment than the victims and victims families by our GOP politicians.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@BackyardShaman That’s terrible
Republican Politicians are telling whoever will listen that LGBTQ people are grooming their kids to be Gay. That they are evil people that want to take your kids. This guy most likely feels like a hero today and with GQP Dogwhistles they will get the message out that this guy is no different than Kyle Rittenhouse, a Republican Superstar.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Pitchblue You are right, that’s the exact message they are sending. The account libsoftiktok is a hate filled account against LGBTQ2s+ people.
@iamonfire696 I'm glad that account has not crossed my path.
@iamonfire696 There are rightwing churches with pastors saying Gay people should be lined up and shot in the head. That is Hate Speech, those pastors should be charged but the Cops in those Red States have the same backwards attitudes.
SW-User
To me every creep who votes republican has blood on their hands. Fuck every last one of them.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@SW-User it’s awful 😢
Rilyn · 31-35, F
These mass shootings are really worrying. I don't really hear of them elsewhere. Maybe that's why. What he did is a serious crime against humanity itself and should be punished.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Rilyn by the way I got banned from regular DM’ing until next February D: I think I can send a message every hours to one person
Rilyn · 31-35, F
@pianoplayingsteve How did that happen? You terrorised the site? 👀
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Rilyn I agree with you
fortycreek · M
Americans dont care, the 2 ammendment is more important than innocent lives
fortycreek · M
@pdqsailor1 i stand corrected, i own guns myself, was only suggesting that the laws in Canada seem to work better than our neighbors
@pdqsailor1 You really think he will pay? The guy is crazy, cruel and protected. The perfect tyrant.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@LunadelobosIAMTHEDRAGON There are about 3.5 million licensed firearms owners in Canada PLUS their families.. all adults and all now motivated to vote Conservative.. That is ten percent of the Canadian population and a significant number of voters.. He can not be re-elected without a portion of those votes and he won't be getting ANY of them.. @fortycreek I am a holder of an RPAL.. up until the hand gun freeze was announced I had NO intention of ever getting a handgun but when he did this idiocy (does nothing to keep illegal guns from getting into the country) He set into motion a situation for me ... I was not happy with .. I am licensed - passed the course but now it was a case of do it now or never... so despite my view that handguns are not as accurate and the restrictions in use are onerous.. I purchased one.. my hand was forced by the legislation.. The huge revelation to me were the RCMP.. who could NOT have been nicer, more friendly, respectful -and particularly could not have been more helpful.. despite being put under an enormous strain for the extra work this impending legislation put them to... If you ask if I am a fan of the RCMP - I am.. For everything except the latest legislation I have no issue with the laws in Canada.. This legislation treats RPAL holders as scape goats and I look forward to a conservative government and repeal of this unfair idiocy..
Ontheroad · M
It is horrible and worse, we have a huge section of the population backed by big dollars (gun lobbies) that absolutely refuse to even talk about legislation that contains firearms regulation.

It is stupid and I honestly don't know what to say other than maybe if those who refused to deal with it suffered lo9sses in a mass shooting they would wake the hell up.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Ontheroad I think it needs to be changed. When that was written there wasn’t semi automatic guns but we know that won’t happen.
Ontheroad · M
@iamonfire696 a majority of us think so as well, but a majority isn't enough. There is too much money at stake for gun lobbies and those supporting the industry to ever let that happen.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Ontheroad Yes you are right about that unfortunately 😢
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
Pisses me off. You may think I'm for gun control but I'm not. If anything I think LGBT+ people should arm themselves and teach themselves to become proficient. If they can't have a gun for whatever reason, at least pepper spray or a taser if their state allows it plus learning any martial arts will suffice.

I only say this because of Poland's no gay zones, with the current view of LGBT+ people, it's becoming dangerous and if you want to look at how the United States would look if they win, look no further than Poland or any far right led country.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
We had one of these degenerates here recently too. Stupid idiots. I'm afraid more of them will creep out of sewers in near future.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@CrazyMusicLover I hope not
SW-User
This is so horrible, and this is why it is important to keep on doing anything we can for acceptance of gays and lesbians and all the people who are still unjustly discriminated against for their desires or identities or ways of life. Where I am it usually seems as if those battles have been won, but tragedies like this and the many smaller acts of hostility and bigotry that my friends and students experience remind me that our work is not done.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@SW-User I agree with you. It’s so different here. We are so lucky.
Coralmist · 41-45, F
This is just horrible. It needs to END. My heart goes out too to anyone touched by this. 😢🌺
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Coralmist I agree, it does need to end. It’s so sad 😢.
I read about it and was so saddened.

I did wonder why the articles put "heroic" in quotes.

Seems to me anybody who dares to wade in and DO something IS heroic, no quotation marks.
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@MalteseFalconPunch It struck me as snarky.Maybe it was just a writing glitch.
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Thanks for posting this. I was wondering if anyone here cared or not.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Grateful4you I care, I am pretty certain this is a hate crime 😢
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
And the shooting came on a day when the club was planning a memorial to all the LGBTQ victims who have lost their lives to bigotry in the US and around the world. :'(
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@ChipmunkErnie Capital punishment (of which I am NOT an advocate) was abolished in Colorado in 2020. Colorado has the first openly Gay governor in the USA... Now late in 2022 a murderous, potentially a hate crime directed against the LBGTQ community ... is this ironic coincidence or was this intended?
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@pdqsailor1 I think it was intended
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@iamonfire696 if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has webbed feet like a duck and has feathers like a duck... it is likely a duck...
I am sorry I can't say anything except I am so very sad and I know this will not end here.

USA is azz backward with regards to gun ownership. It is totally MENTAL.

pdqsailor1 put it all, very well.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@LunadelobosIAMTHEDRAGON I completely agree with you. It’s very sad 😢
SW-User
This is so sad. Sometimes I feel like it will only keep getting worse.
SW-User
@iamonfire696 No, and the problem is, when these things happen, rather than try to prevent it, it just becomes this political mish mash of idiocy.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@SW-User that’s exactly what it becomes. Instead of looking at this as tragic and trying to improve and make changes. People point fingers and just get upset if you mention anything about gun rights.
SW-User
@iamonfire696 Exactly. It's always the same argument.
MrAboo · 36-40, M
Stupid people with guns do stupid things.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@MrAboo yes they do
PEACH4LIFE · 46-50, F
How sad..............
CassandraSissy · 26-30, T
@iamonfire696 Exactly, sweetie...exactly...

😔
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@PEACH4LIFE I can’t even imagine. I have never owned a gun or thought to even buy one. I am sorry things are only getting worse 😢.
PEACH4LIFE · 46-50, F
@iamonfire696 yeah it is 😢😢😢
MellyMel22 · F
It needs to stop 😔
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@MellyMel22 right, isn’t it awful 😢
helenS · 36-40, F
Horrible news 🙁
I wonder why those massacres happen so often in America. In Europe we had several mass murders committed by Islamist fanatics, especially in France.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@helenS access to guns doesn’t help
Djac17 · 22-25, M
Unfortunately a tragedy is once again being used by both sides for political reasons
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Djac17 it’s a hate crime though
Djac17 · 22-25, M
@iamonfire696 Unlikely considering the shooter has been revealed to be Non Binary and uses They/Them pronouns
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Djac17 They could be non-binary and still shoot people from their own community out of resentment.
eMortal · M
I feel for the victims and their families. Do we have evidence that it was a hate crime?
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@eMortal Just speculation but this club had been targeted for protests.
Justenjoyit · 61-69, M
Anything new 🤷‍♂️
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Justenjoyit it’s not
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
Im wondering which side of the political aisle wont want to 'give the killer what they want by making their name widely known'.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@pianoplayingsteve the name is out there already
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@iamonfire696 indeed it is
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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
The shooter is non binary and the person who took him down is a military vet so this shooting is going to be memory holed.
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kodiac · 22-25, M
@CassandraSissy As long as it's a choice i have no problem with it .I find it ironic that the same people that want to change the constitution are all up in arms about women's right to a abortion being restricted. Take away the right to bear arms what's next ? Free speech? Freedom of religion? If someone wants to give up their guns to help so be it but it won't change a thing.
CassandraSissy · 26-30, T
@kodiac No, as I said, some laws are outdated.....this one certainly is...

Tired argument that the NRA roll out each and every time....

Boring! Lol!

😜
kodiac · 22-25, M
@CassandraSissy Take a nap

 
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