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Suspect in custody after deadly mass shooting at LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs

A 22-year-old gunman opened fire in a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs, killing five people and leaving more than two dozen injured before he was subdued by "heroic" patrons and arrested by police who were on the scene within minutes, authorities said Sunday.

The violence is the sixth mass killing this month and comes in a year when the nation was shaken by the deaths of 21 in a school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

This is terrible that someone can have access to a gun and just walk into a place and open fire and do so much damage. The motive isn’t clear but it’s speculated that the club was targeted because it’s a LGBTQ2s+ nightclub.

My thoughts go out to all the people that lost loved ones last night.

What are your thoughts?

Read the full story here:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-springs-mass-shooting-club-q/
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pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
No where else other than in the USA is mass murder with firearms a regular thing..

A REGULAR OCCURRENCE... which means

REOCCURRENCE is something that won't only happen but like clockwork you know it will strike again... and again and again..

A bad guy with guns was stopped by a good guy who took the bad guys handgun from him and beat him with that handgun to stop the shootings... but not before the bad guy who had a long gun had used said long gun to kill five people and to wound over twenty more... So that heroic act stopped the killer and put him in the hospital

It happened before... it is going to happen again....This may have been a hate crime..

If it is a hate crime it is NOT the only recent hate crime....

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/19/us/nyc-jewish-threat-community-arrest

Which details two separate planned attacks on Jews, one in NJ and the other in NYC. A ghost gun with a 30 round magazine was seized... so was a swastika arm band, a big hunting knife and black mask and bullet proof vest.. Threats had been posted on line in both cases leading to arrests being made in both cases..

Easy availability of guns facilitates gun violence

High capacity magazine availability facilitates mass shootings

The acceptability of self defence as a legally permitted option under US law encourages the ownership of firearms designed to kill mass numbers of people for which there is NO other legitimate use.. An AR style firearm with a high capacity magazine is not designed for hunting and it is not a choice fire arm for target practice... it is the civilian version of a military firearm that was designed and intended for one purpose: to kill the enemy in an efficient manner..

It happens no where else in the world. From the (mis) interpretation of the US constitution to US law based upon that (mis) interpretation to an unwillingness or inability to change the law and with one US party embracing division and a recent US president espousing hatred against immigrants and Muslims and refusing to disavow extremist support and inciting violence himself on a repeated basis... well the goons have crawled out from under their rocks and have been emboldened put into practice what they had previously been successfully restrained from doing...

This is not the first incident of anti LBGTQ violence in recent years.. It is far from the only hate crime that has taken place..

and ...

It is going to happen again and again.. and it happens no where else in the world on such a regular basis as it does in the USA..

What do other countries do?

Gun safety courses - mandatory and a pre-requisite to obtaining a license..
Fire arms licenses for the acquisition and possession of both long guns and a separate more stringent license for hand guns. Licences must be shown for the purchase of ammunition.
Limitation of magazine capacity to ten rounds.. Prohibition of higher capacity magazines.
Elimination of Self Defence with a fire arm as an available legal option - safe storage and transport laws for firearms - unloaded and locked or disabled for transport..
No carry permits either open or concealed..
There are two and only two allowable and legitimate uses for fire arms.. Target practice and hunting...
Criminal penalties for contravention...
Carazaa · F
@pdqsailor1 I think that many criminals and nazis moved to the USA after WW11, and even before, and their children are manifesting their parents hate and antisemitism now. Their attitudes are not fundamentally American. Also parenting practices are very authoritarian and punitive, even abusive in many American homes which have consequences. Daily we read about children locked in closets for years and starving, etc. It's very sad.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@pdqsailor1 I agree with you on this
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Carazaa The oldest hatred in the world is anti semitism. There was plenty of it in the USA prior to WWII.. Charles Lindbergh, Henry Ford and Joseph Kennedy were famous anti semites.. Joseph Kennedy had a son who became President and his one surviving child, Caroline - Joseph's granddaughter - is long term Married to a Jewish man Edwin... Karma? The USA has the second largest concentration of Jews in the world (six million vs about seven million in Israel and two million everywhere else combined) because right up to the election of Trump there was no history of murdering Jews because they were Jews. Jews have fled most other places in the world to emigrate to Israel because of a dramatic increase in anti semitic incidents world wide... It may start being the case in the USA if this trend continues and Jewish contributions to US society have been and continue to be highly significant.. An exodus of Jews from the USA to Israel WILL begin if this new lethal activity continues to accellerate.. and the cost to US society of such an exodus would be a problem. For those who wonder why Israel exists.. this is why Israel exists.. ONE place in this world where Jews can live and defend themselves effectively. The mission statement for Israel are the words "never again"... There used to be another place of refuge without the need for self defence - the USA... Now we are no longer certain that this is still the case.

But that is far from the whole story.. I live in Canada. As part of work I was doing I had to acquire a license for firearms.. it was decided for me that instead of just taking the course for non-restricted firearms (not handguns) that I was to take the restricted firearms license as well (handguns)... My score was perfect on my written tests and nearly perfect on my practical examination... Then after my results of the course were submitted and acknowledged by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police - RCMP, I filed out a license application and had to wait for over six months for it to be processed and my references (including my Wife) questioned and examined.. and the license then just arrived in the mail. Here we have laws that require storage of firearms to be in a vault, disabled and unloaded.. The reason the laws are structured this way is to prevent unauthorized use and to also prevent and preclude anyone who IS licensed from using that firearm for self defence.. There are two and only two uses for a firearm in Canada for civilians... Target practice on a range and hunting and for a hand gun it can only be used for target practice and may NOT be used for hunting.. A carry permit exposed or concealed for a handgun is virtually impossible to obtain in Canada. The only reason I have a hand gun is that the law just changed here - I had no intention of ever getting one as I viewed them as inferior to a rifle in terms of accuracy and their use was so limited that it made very little sense.. The new law would have precluded me from ever getting one despite my license allowing me to do so.. It was a case of now or never so I purchased one and I have one. To legally buy ammunition in Canada a license is required. This is how Gun control laws are in Canada... Oh ... High capacity magazines are prohibited in Canada.. Criminal activity with firearms is entirely related to illegally smuggled guns and ammunition and it is skyrocketing as there is a profit to be made selling smuggled guns on the street to criminals... There is a shooting incident almost every single day in Toronto.. However what has not taken place here are mass shooting incidents - those are primarily related to the easy availability of high capacity magazines and AR styled rifles in the USA that were designed to kill large numbers of people efficiently and have no value as target or hunting firearms.. Most suicides in the USA are by firearms.. The easy unregulated availability of guns in the USA, the absence of safety courses and mandatory licensing, the time frame to acquire a fire arm in the USA , the legal framework that permits carrying of fire arms and self defence as a legally permitted action... are ALL responsible for the numbers of mass shootings in the USA..

Hatred invoked against the LBTGQ community is not new either... the Pace nightclub Shootings in Florida were about six years ago.. Similar nutcases who felt free to go after Jews since the election of Trump are also going after member of the LBTGQ community.. Not only are they not socially free, they have no place of refuge... So unfortunately fear, evil and hatred is something I am quite familiar with.. My family had dozens murdered for no other reason than evil hatred. The USA then refused to open its doors to provide Jews with refuge... and now with lax laws coinciding with the easy availability of firearms designed to kill vast numbers of people.. what is being questioned is if it still sufficiently the place of refuge it has been since WWII...

The late Robin Williams when he was interviewed by a German talk show host was asked "Mr. Williams, why do you think there is not so much comedy in Germany?" His answer: "Do you think it is because you killed all the funny people?" The talk show host did not understand his answer.. When he told this as a joke .. there was a pause in the audience, then a gasp then a roar.. I mean how outrageous but....
Carazaa · F
@pdqsailor1 My Dad, the chief of his department, and a doctor, and a nominated Nobel prize nominee, had neighbors over for a party a few years ago, and one man made a racist joke. My Dad stopped the party, asked everyone to please listen up, and said "let it be perfectly clear, if there is any joking or racist comments here in my house, I will ask you to leave, and the party will be over." I really respect my father for that. The other man had been a very powerful doctor at the University of California. Hate has to be stopped immediately. It is not funny, and it is unbelievable how many in the US are against gun control, and really don't care about murder, cold hearts!
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Carazaa your Dad is a principled and disciplined man of character some Jewish Comedians are somewhat less disciplined or principled ... Some like Mel Brooks poke fun at themselves and everybody else too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAYt6dpCgOI
Some like Don Rickles.. made a regular living out of expressing racism as humour...
@pdqsailor1
The oldest hatred in the world is anti semitism.
For those who wonder why Israel exists.. this is why Israel exists.. ONE place in this world where Jews can live and defend themselves effectively. The mission statement for Israel are the words "never again"

Thank you so much for saying this. I just don't think that people realize this, and that, to me, is inconceivable.

And thank you so much for elucidating on all that you said, it is very important, what you wrote, you spelled it out, and I am grateful.

USA has it wrong with firearms rules.
I am in Canada also.
We have most of our family, in Israel.

We left our native country of Latvia, in December of 1979.
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Montanaman · M
@pdqsailor1 i respect your opinion, but i have to disagree with the last two paragraphs.