I Question The Age Of Consent

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Agreed

@BanPlastic no offense, but that's horseshit. Prohibition has been tried and has never worked and will never work. Alcohol has been consumed by humanity for thousands of years. You're not gonna stop it.

All drugs should be decriminalised and harm reduction should be the goal.

And don't give me shit about alcohol making you violent or a rapist, I've been drunk many a time and never engaged in either. My dad though, yeah he was abusive whether he was sobre or not.

@basilfawlty89 Do you think meth should be decriminalized too? Prohibition does work actually. Cities without prohibition do have higher drug use. Don't fall for the pro-drug propaganda. Alcohol does fuel many cases of violence, rape and car accidents. Just because YOU never did any of those while drunk, doesn't mean it is not significant in the general population. You're defending your desire for drugs with a flimsy argument.

@BanPlastic yes it should. And what's more show a citation proving that prohibition works.
Every evidence from history shows the opposite. When the US tried to ban alcohol, people started consuming harder alcohol at speakeasies and let to the growth of the mob. If you do what you're suggesting, you're just helping the blackmarket and criminals gain the upper hand.

Furthermore, countries that have done away with prohibition and instead chose harm reduction have seen a decrease in the amount and times drugs were used and fewer fatal overdoses.

You speak from a position of privilege. You've clearly never known an addict.

@BanPlastic The thought police at work.

@MeisterAndrew Posts like this encourage potential child offenders to carry out their fantasies. I'm not policing thoughts. I'm trying to police posts that are viewed by pedophiles.

@BanPlastic Real pedophiles would not need encouragement. Ironically the same arguments you use here against discussing things were used by the nazis.

@BiasForAction denied 🙅‍♂️

@BanPlastic Just because an 18 year old can legally give consent to a 40 year old doesn't mean they can psychologically give consent to someone they see as an authority figure. You can substitute the 18 with any number you want, it doesn't mean you arrived at that number in a rational manner. Putting a magical figure on something doesn't take care of power disparities.

@MeisterAndrew Yes. I agree with you. But an 18 year old is far less likely to perceive a 40 year old as an authority figure than a 15 year old. So it may not eradicate all power disparities, but it takes care of a large chunk of them. Using exceptions to justify sex with children isn't going to fly with me so you're better off not even trying.

@BanPlastic You don't know what the likelihood is. You have no idea if it takes care of the majority or not. You simply assume it does because of preconceptions. And you continue to call 16 year olds children. I don't even know if a 15 year old can be called a child. It does seem like you are simply arguing based on indoctrinated preconceptions of what's acceptable and what's not. I do see what another poster on here said that you seem to be projecting feelings of something that happened to you onto everybody else.

@BanPlastic It's accurate according to you! You keep avoiding that all these high ages of consent were decided before medical advancement. Someone past puberty is an adult biologically, that's just fact. In case you don't know puberty is the [i]transition[/i] between child and adulthood. It does not take that long and past puberty someone is no longer a child biologically.

It's very much societal positions that lead to the current laws we have. Why am I not in a position to comment here? I never said a 13 year old will be a responsible adult but it doesn't mean a 15 year old can't be more responsible that an 18 year old. We see it. The fact is we do not know where the age of consent should lie as it's (1) indeterminable and (2) different for every individual. No matter what age you choose you'd be wrong.

You haven't shown that a low age of consent leads to sex trafficking. It's the conditions and historical views that lead to human trafficking in general being commonplace, and not just child sex trafficking as I keep pointing out. A low age of consent usually comes with that as a result. You're incorrectly vilifying the low age of consent as the causal factor.

You did make a reference as to Youtube being a reference to how 15 year olds think and feel.

@MeisterAndrew You don't need medical advancement to have the common sense parenting which you clearly do not have to understand that a child is not authoritatively an equal to an adult. I won't be reading the rest of your comment because it's probably just a reiteration and I can't be bothered going around in circles with you. You're either a troll, a hebephile or just someone who won't get it no matter what. I can't be bothered with you. Take care and keep your hands off kids.

@BanPlastic It's all about medical advancement because without it you're just going on "feels". You've kept on resorting to generalisations about people and situations throughout so cheers.

@DeluxedEdition Yep. When I was 15, I was with a 17 year old and also a 42 year old. At the time it seemed consentual, but in retrospect, was I really old enough to make such decisions? No. Was I in control of the situations? No! I was not in control at all. It was my therapist who told me that I had been sexually abused. I never realized until then.

@DeluxedEdition OMG! Wow! You should report him. You were clearly manipulated.

@DaddyThomas Interesting it was changed

@SW-User youre right , that’s why it’s changed into 16 years old

@SW-User Vic Toews. He got divorced because he got a 17 year old pregnant. Under the new law his own party put in place if there is a coercive power dynamic (like a government official) the other person has to be at least 18 in that situation. So by the law passed by his own party that make him a sexual predator and a statutory rapist. He was never even investigated, nevermind charged. He later went on to become a judge here in Manitoba where he basically blamed girls for getting raped. Real peach this guy.

@SW-User Are you kidding? Literally the top law enforcement official in the country is not in position of power and authority? The reason I used the term coercive power dynamic is because when you have a cabinet member and the top cop pursuing a teenager that is kind of the definition of the special circumstance he ran afoul of. In fact the example given it the bill itself of such a circumstance is nearly identical to what he did. This just proves conclusively that it did literally nothing in this case to move numbers around.

@JimboSaturn The problem is, when a group of pedophiles come together in a group like this to question it, they end up encouraging each other to offend rather that putting forward reason.

@Court69 fair enough still in multi way with your Gf and her sister?

@QuietEd2019 no getting nothing lately

@Court69 ohh okay

@Dshhh that is true they weren’t given a choice really

@QuietEd2019 women, for a LONG time on ALL continents have historically had little say in their own lives.
they were chattel property, used to enrich fathers, and seal political deals.

@Dshhh unfortunately yes terrible trait in patriarchal society

@Slade ... i queried on here when a female adult - Lesbian - 45-50 made sexual comments about a 14 yr old girl, i said to her that "if you were male, you'd be classed as a Pedo

@Court69 not in South Africa. The age of consent is 16 here. I dunno where people get their inform about Africa, but we're not one monolithic country.

Laws in South Africa are much the same as they are in Europe.

@basilfawlty89 I just Googled. Your right I should have been more specific in my search. Sorry about that.

@Court69 You know what else is natural? Rape. Nature doesn't 'know' anything. We evolved to create social structures that reduce conflict both external and internal. Our social evolution is very much natural.

@BigGuy2 FYI that’s what it is in most of the US too.

@BigGuy2 I agree. 16 would be fine if having sex with someone slightly older.

@Mamapolo2016 I completely agree with that it is to stop abuse. But what age? Majority of Europe is 14 or 15 the lack of consistency is an interesting part of the argument for change. Although pointless part of the debate for UK now

@Mamapolo2016 I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I’m pretty sure having sex was not directly the reason those baby wives died in their mid teens. They died because we hadn’t yet made a lot of advances in medicine, and doctors didn’t always sanitize their operating rooms and tools and even their hands, so having a baby was a dangerous proposition for a woman of [i]any[/i] age.

My point is that if we were to lower the AOC, there would be no particular reason to expect a spike in teen deaths in childbirth because now we have better, more advanced, more sanitary hospitals with better trained doctors than we had then. As you said, yes, youngsters having sex with older people could potentially cause them to miss out on a lot of opportunities to raise their quality of life, and that’s a good reason to make it illegal; however, we don’t need to hysterically stigmatize sex by telling kids, “If you have sex you’re going to die!” Making it more forbidden (by warning them they will die) will make sex under dangerous conditions seem more enticing.

@JP1119 I didn't say they died because they had sex, although it IS why they died. You can't get a baby (or couldn't then) without having sex and many died in childbirth. Others died because their immature bodies couldn't cope with the baby-making task. Whatever the cause of death on the death certtificate, the real cause was sex and babies too young.

@DeluxedEdition A virtuous pedophile is someone who is attracted to children but keeps away from children and gets help to manage how they feel. They can't help it but they're doing the right thing by restraining themselves.

@BanPlastic @AthrillatheHunt im 99% sure goralski passed away that next year so he wont see it but obvi i agree we should all report this group

@TryingtoLava I didn’t realize the post was years old until just now . Oops

@donnadix no idea depends on who wants to risk long jail sentence

@TheButterfly I said I'm questioning it, I didn't go into why (yet)

@Habby Do you still feel that way?

@Habby I am so fucking disgusted

@Mamapolo2016 it's ok!

I'm more interested in the discussion than anything... didn't expect the immediate backlash lol

Protecting kids is a hobby horse of mine. Since you ARE a kid, I'm not mad at you anymore. 😊@Habby

@dunpender I think it should be 18. 16 is still school age and 16 year-olds are still programmed to comply with adult instruction.

@BanPlastic when you see the circle with a line through it that means they got banned :) hes gone already