Climate change is real.There are many examples.Last year Canada in particular set record high temperatures.Siberiia now has heatwaves and hit 38 centigrade.Storms and hurricanes are more frequent and more severe.In California right now there are bushfires. Deforestation and an ever increasing population means more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.There are more ice melts now.All these are measured and monitored continuously.Yet even now some uneducated people deny the obvious that global warming is happening around us all the time.
@hippyjoe1955 Still waiting for your NASA satellite data.You got nothing.Two sets of data have been posted right here providing evidence of global warming.Maybe you are responsible for some temperature rise too with all the hot air you talk.
"Believe in"? I'd prefer to say that 25 years of evidence strongly supports the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming, and that we are at the point where we really should be taking steps to avoid worse global warming. It's a question of science and evidence; belief has little to do with it. Unfortunately, by the time we feel major effects of global warming - such as flooding of many sea level cities - it'll be too late to fix. It's a case where an ounce of prevention is worth a TON of cure.
Artist's rendition of the formation of the earth in the Hadean period: (4.6 billion years ago)
Map of Pre-Cambrian earth:
Late Cambrian earth: (around 550 million years ago)...
Map of Ordovician period earth, (444 to 489 million years ago):
Map of the Middle Silurian earth: (444 to 416 million years ago).
Map of earth during the Devonian Period: (416 to 360 million years ago):
Map of earth during the Carboniferous Period: (360 to 300 million years ago),
Map of earth during the Permean Period: (300 to 250 million years ago),
Map of earth during the Triassic Period: ( 250 to 201 million years ago),
Map of earth during the Jurassic Period: ( 201 to 145 million years ago),
Map of earth during the Cretaceous Period: (145.5 to 65 million years ago),
Map of earth during the Tertiary Period: (65.5 to 2.6 million years ago),
Map of earth during the Quaternary Period: (2.6 million years ago to Present),
As anyone can see, the earth is slowly drying up, and there is a lot more land area than at any time in the past, yet climate change freaks will start screaming if an iceberg melts.
I have a clue for the clueless...icebergs are going to melt. Land areas are going to change...and if you can't figure that out from looking at all the maps of the world above, over the life of the planet, then I just feel sorry for your Mama.
Of course. Nowhere is it more real than here in northern California where the landscape is drier and hotter and there are more wildfires than there were just a decade ago. It's changing quite quickly.
I believe in climate change. Where I'm currently sitting used to be covered with glaciers. I do NOT believe that humans are the cause of it. I also don't believe taxing everyone will solve it.
I do believe in clean air, water, etc and am generally supportive of many environmental policies when they make sense. But come at me with your nonsense and you won't get very far. The climate has been changing forever and will continue to do so.
Yes, and it is sad that this needs to be asked as a question of belief. Where I live (on the Canadian prairies) the weather, year round, is getting increasingly extreme and erratic. For me personally, so far, this just means some discomfort and inconvenience, but for farmers it is causing huge losses -- and that is affecting food prices. Meanwhile, in India, where I have friends, people have been dying in unseasonable, extreme heat waves. Also, my dreams of travelling to Australia and seeing the Great Barrier Reef are receding fast, as more and more coral dies off as the ocean heats up. All of this just points in the direction of worse and worse changes ahead.
@Really I see the @username of the person I am responding to, in my reply. It seems like @ElwoodBlues is correct and you don't see it because of a block situation. @Andrew @Nuno this seems like a glitch that needs fixing!
@ServantOfTheGoddess Interesting. Thanks for the info. I wonder if the glitch will get fixed. Probably souldn't be a high priority on the fixit list anyway? 🙂
@Really The way SW behaves in cases of blocking has changed over time; I can't give you an exact description for right now. But my guess is you're seeing no posts from the aformentioned dippy individual; only responses by people like myself and @servant...
I DO believe in global warming, but I also know it's not as manmade as government and the media would have us believe. According to science, ALL of the planets in our solar system are currently undergoing global warming. So, it's more natural than we're led to believe.
@PhoenixPhail [quote]I found only one recent reference regarding Pluto's rise in temperature: https://news.mit.edu/2002/pluto[/quote] Thank you for the link! Pluto is a rather special case because it's orbit is highly elliptical. Pluto's nearest approach to the Sun is 2,756,902,000 miles; its farthest distance is 4,583,190,000; a 60% change in distance. What with insolation obeying an inverse square law, the raw solar energy hitting Pluto varies by more than a factor of two. Earth's eccentricity is about 15X smaller than Pluto's and it fails to explain the amount of warming we've experienced in the last 100 years.
The global warming / climate change we're seeing in the last 100 or so years is MUCH different from anything measured in the glacial & sea sediment records covering the last 700,000 years. CO2 is rising 100x faster, and temps 10x faster.
"How is Today’s Warming Different from the Past?" https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php "As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming."
How is today's CO2 increase different? https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide "The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases, such as those that occurred at the end of the last ice age 11,000-17,000 years ago."
Fact is, anthropogenic global warming is accepted by a YUGE segment of the scientific community. Would you accept the consensus opinion of the American Physical Society AND the American Chemical Society? How about the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and at least 15 other national organizations of publishing scientists? See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
I don't "believe in it" because I am not part of a cult, but I would say that climate does change, and that the recent reports from one meteorological agency in the United States which state that cleaner air makes tornadoes and hurricanes [i]worse and more frequent[/i], is probably full of doo-doo.
Tornado severity actually follows a 1000 year pattern.
Climate change has not had one bit of effect on my life, except to provide me with major annoyance from having to listen to various twits and politicians, (some of whom are also twits), and to make beef disappear from my table.
Well, here in the PNW, last summer we had the hottest tempt ever recorded. Our yearly rainfall is trending downward, and the fire seasons have become more extreme. So climate change can't be realistically denied. But of course, it has become politicized. So even with the proof all around, some will continue to deny it.
So the amount of N2O dropped. And the climate did what? You haven't established a causal link. you really need to try harder. Kind of like calling CO2 a greenhouse gas. Yes CO2 is a greenhouse gas. It is used in greenhouses to increase plant growth. It is plant food. N2O is produced by plants and have since the beginning of life on earth. Strange how the temperature of the earth is not that of the surface of the sun isn't it.
@rrraksamam Do you honestly believe that? Seriously? Funny how the states most effected are all democrat. Kind of like Canada which is liberal. Hmmm do you see a relationship between politics and climate change because I certainly do.
@rrraksamam If you think forest fires are the result of climate change you truly don't understand the life cycle of forests. When I was a kid back in the 60s the air was thick with smoke. There were no fires in Alberta or BC or Saskatchewan so everyone was asking where the smoke was coming from. It was coming from the huge fires in Siberia.
Climate change is indisputable. When one considers the endlessly changing climate over millions of years one must recognize that it is we who must adapt. Our actions might have caused some change but change itself is inevitable. The Sahara was forested only 30000 years ago. Sixty million years ago Antarctica was a tropical archipelago. Last of all 99 percent of all species who have ever existed are now extinct. When you realize that we are just one species… it really puts our significance into perspective.
the climate has been changing long before we were here, and it'll continue to do so long after we're gone
the notion that humans have any significant impact on it, or that it can somehow be altered to suit us is as narcissistic and deluded as those who politicize it for the sole purpose of profiting from it.
History has proven time and time again that those who act on the proclaimed goal of trying to "save the world" are usually the same people who bring society to the brink of destruction...
I believe in climate change sure. I dont believe us Humans have affected it really. It just shows how narcissistic people are to believe that. Climate dramatically had its changes before humans existed and it will do so when we are all gone. I hate how climate change has also become a political issue and just another thing used to try and get people what they want and that is more control
@Torsten You may be right (although I don't think so) about humans not affecting climate change. You claim to hate that the issue is politicized. But then you keep it completely political by declaring those who think otherwise than you are simply narcissists seeking control.
Trying to reduce climate change is an 'Us vs Them' issue for you? Are you suggesting that we can do nothing to affect the climate, so we just shouldn't try?
@Really exactly 🤦🏼♂️ We don’t truly know how fast the earth cools down or warms up, we don’t have that data to compare our data to. @LordShadowfire That’s true but we also had a period of global cooling during the 70s. Did we stop using fossil fuels during that time? Like I said, I’m sure that we contribute to it, but we will never know how much because we don’t have all the data
@zerofuks2give [quote] we don’t have that data to compare our data to.[/quote]Then why did you say[quote]Compared to billions of years, I’d say it is. [/quote]Make up your mind?
Some left, lot are in the process of selling properties and moving away because they can't afford digging wells..and some are in courts fighting for water resources areas.
It's only small farm owners that get really affected.
There is place that looks like the Sahara right now and it used to be a beautiful vine farm. It is sad if you have seen the area before.
Wild life struggles too without the water. I use drip irrigation but I place open ponds for animals since I am next to a forest. I have tortoises and little beings in my cherry farm all the time during the summer, I love watching them but I also know it is not long term solution.
@Miram youre doing more than most are! Its so difficult at the moment. Our beloved beauty spots are becoming barron, hardly anythung grows except odd grass. We arent even getting the migratory birds coming over as much. Its very sad
No I don't buy into religion. Virtually none. Sure weather is warmer or cooler than before but it can be predicted scientifically with some degree of accuracy.
You should be more concerned with natural changes like volcanic eruptions.
It's a communist ploy for control. We were supposed to be underwater in 1970, and that never happened. "The sky is falling". Climate has been changing for billions of years.
Probably a lot if you live in a low lying area by the sea or in the Oklahoma tornado belt or live in Northern California and get affected each season by heat, drought and forest fires.
It would make sense for the planet to get warmer, if the sun is getting hotter, which it is. Eventually, it win incinerate the earth, but that’s a ways off, like a few billion years. Climate change is ongoing, and was here long before humans. Apart from natural changes, the rest is a hoax to get the gullible to give up modern day life, go back to the Stone Age, and line the pockets, and concede power to the unelected global oligarchs.
Minnesota ice on the lakes is later than when I was a kid but the winters do seem colder at their peak. Drier up north in the summer. Won't be long until the pine forests are all ablaze up there. Oaks are replacing birch and poplar. Southern Minnesota ice out dates have become wildly unpredictable. Plotted them a few years back and it's obviously changing.
@Gangstress The only idiot on this thread is the one who thinks there is actual evidence of global warming. Here is a hint toots. Go back and look at all the predictions made by the AGW crowd and tell me how many of them came to pass. Here is a very strong hint. The answer is ZERO. Not one prediction of the AGW crowd has occurred. The glaciers are growing not shrinking. The arctic is not ice free. The polar bears are thriving, Manhattan is not under water. There is no measurable rise in sea levels. No Islands have been submerged. The temperature remains well within statistical norms. So what science do you believe? You don't believe the science because your side doesn't do science. It does propaganda.
@Gangstress Plugging your ears and shouting LALALALA is the adult way to defend the indefensible. Too Funny!!!! There is no evidence on your side. Just propaganda which you choose to believe because it is 'official propaganda'.
I "believe in" global climate change in the same sense that I "believe in" my pet bearded dragon. There's plenty of evidence for anybody who isn't bought and paid for by the oil companies.
Oregon used to have a reputation for being the rainy state. I don't have a single memory in my childhood of a Halloween when it wasn't raining. These days, summer seems to last till the end of September, and October has the weather that used to be September weather.
December used to be another very predictable month. We'd get an inch or so of snow, not enough to close anything down, but it would stick for a day or two, and we would have snowball fights at school, in spite of the teachers making it very clear that wasn't to happen. Now, sure, it gets cold, but it doesn't get to freezing until mid-january. Snow is something that maybe happens every decade or so.
Which brings me to summer. Every August, it seems, we have record-breaking temperatures. And every year, I'm convinced this is the year I'm going to either die of heat stroke or drown in my own sweat.
It seems if I want the weather of my childhood, I'm going to have to move north to Seattle.
@LordShadowfire U.S. drought map: https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/
Northwestern Oregon and western Washington are essentially the only parts of the entire Western half of the U.S. that are not in some kind of drought right now.
@SW-User That's because we are under the influence of LA Nina this year. Rainfall above average, and temps below average. This is a good thing because it means our fire season will start later. But it sucks for getting the garden started.
@RedBaron Looking in a mirror? I base my opinion on science. You know what science is don't you? It is ignoring the experts and examining the evidence.
It's becoming increasingly hard to deny. The probability that it's natural trends or a hoax created by China is vanishingly small. It's harder to say how it's effected me so far. But since they are saying it's impossible to tie any one event to climate change, few people can say they are effected
@iamonfire696 I find it funny that he actually talks about science in almost the same way that scientists talked about sorcery back in the day. Like you couldn’t ultimately do the tests yourself and get the results.
@Ferise1 I tried force-feeding my kohlrabi with pellets of PVC but it just died. By the way Einstein isn't on here. You did mean Albert? He died in 1955. Oh wait; is 'einstein' somebody else? Were you quoting him?
@Ferise1 You said 'pollution'. PVC is pollution, like nearly all oil-based plastics. They are already killing the oceans. I don't know what 'pvc einstein' is.
I was trying to make your posts seem even sillier than you can yourself, but I'm clearly losing that contest.
I hope you and pvc einstein will be really happy together.
@CopperCicada [quote]The plant people always say to change the growing zone by one click[/quote]That seemed to make sense for a while; but global warming does not equate to consistent local warming; can be the opposite. Here our spring has been way below 'normal' temps all the way.
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP My point is what you and I see in our lifetime is not indicative of anything without a much longer reference point. Yes there were no ticks when you were a kid. Were there ticks during your parents or grandparent's time?
@hippyjoe1955 'Don't know. My grandparents aren't w/us anymore, my family only moved into the area in the 1950s and they didn't like cats. And since I'm not allowed to trust anyone but myself, I have to come up w/my own references points.
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP The fact is that without longer terms of reference we have no idea what the climate is doing. Ever heard of the medieval warm period? How about the Roman warm period? Did you know that the first outbreak of the black plague in Europe was likely caused by a volcano we call Krakatoa?
