Do you believe in global warming? What effect has climate change had in your life?
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Paladin · 56-60, M
Well, here in the PNW, last summer we had the hottest tempt ever recorded. Our yearly rainfall is trending downward, and the fire seasons have become more extreme.
So climate change can't be realistically denied.
But of course, it has become politicized. So even with the proof all around, some will continue to deny it.
So climate change can't be realistically denied.
But of course, it has become politicized. So even with the proof all around, some will continue to deny it.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Paladin And this spring we are having a very cold stretch. Weather is not climate.
Paladin · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 Of course, but the weather over long terms are climate. And the hotter summers have been going on for quite a while, so yes, that is a change in climate.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Paladin Not really. The weather changes year over year and there are 10 year cycles and 60 year cycles and ..... Cycles within cycles within cycles. The fact is that No One can prove that anything mankind is doing or could do has any effect on the climate. Simply too big, too chaotic, too much negative feedback. The climate is what it is. Get used to it and adapt because it is not going to change for you.
Paladin · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 Yes really. That's what climate is, your weather over a period of time.
But your defeatist attitude could be the death of us all.
Of course there is too much evidence of climate change for it to be denied at this point.
The only question is whether it is all naturally occurring cycles, or how much influence man has on it. And you can not say for sure that man has no influence. If we are to get it wrong, I would rather get it wrong in our favor. We only get one Earth, so we can't screw it up. I support the idea of finding cleaner safer ways to do business. A person would have to be a fool not to want that. And in that process, look how many jobs would be created...engineers to design the systems, construction workers to build them, technicians to maintain them, and of course, making all of the parts to build them.
Or we can keep doing things as we always have, and just keep our fingers crossed.
But your defeatist attitude could be the death of us all.
Of course there is too much evidence of climate change for it to be denied at this point.
The only question is whether it is all naturally occurring cycles, or how much influence man has on it. And you can not say for sure that man has no influence. If we are to get it wrong, I would rather get it wrong in our favor. We only get one Earth, so we can't screw it up. I support the idea of finding cleaner safer ways to do business. A person would have to be a fool not to want that. And in that process, look how many jobs would be created...engineers to design the systems, construction workers to build them, technicians to maintain them, and of course, making all of the parts to build them.
Or we can keep doing things as we always have, and just keep our fingers crossed.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Paladin Oh the scare is here. And if we do all the things you think we must and the climate still changes????? The proof of what needs to be done and why is entirely on you. You have not provided cause or reason or effect.
Paladin · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955Or we can do nothing and keep our fingers crossed. That seems to be what your advocating here. No, we need to take action before it's too late.
And you haven't gave one reason why we shouldn't strive to find cleaner more efficient ways of doing business. And I gave the most important reason...all of our lives could depend on it.
This shouldn't even be debate worthy, it's just common sense.
And you haven't gave one reason why we shouldn't strive to find cleaner more efficient ways of doing business. And I gave the most important reason...all of our lives could depend on it.
This shouldn't even be debate worthy, it's just common sense.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Paladin No we can do nothing in the knowledge that the CO2 levels in the past have been much higher than they are now. Did the earth burn up hundreds of thosuands of years ago when CO2 levels were 40 times higher than they are now?
Paladin · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 You mean like back before humans flourished on the earth?
But you know, these changes I talked about will happen. There's nothing you can do to stop them. That's what we people do...look for better more efficient ways of doing things. That's our history. Or we can stand around and wait until you are convinced that we need to take action. But by that point it may be too late.
As I said, I would rather err on the side of caution.
But you know, these changes I talked about will happen. There's nothing you can do to stop them. That's what we people do...look for better more efficient ways of doing things. That's our history. Or we can stand around and wait until you are convinced that we need to take action. But by that point it may be too late.
As I said, I would rather err on the side of caution.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Paladin We have no idea what will happen. Is human generated CO2 somehow different than natural CO2? TBH we can't even get an accurate measurement on the CO2 levels now! The CO2 level is much higher on an LA freeway than it is in the boreal forest in northern Canada. The forest is much bigger than LA so how do you average it all out?
ElwoodBlues · M
[quote]We have no idea what will happen. [/quote]
Speak for yourself, bozo. Many of us know that sea levels will keep rising and start flooding more and more coastal cities, flooding trillions and trillions of dollars worth of buildings, etc. Some of us think that outcome is worth spending some money to avoid.
[quote]From about 3,000 years ago to about 100 years ago, sea levels naturally rose and declined slightly, with little change in the overall trend. Over the past 100 years, global temperatures have risen about 1 degree C (1.8 degrees F), with sea level response to that warming totaling about 160 to 210 mm (with about half of that amount occurring since 1993), or about 6 to 8 inches. And the current rate of sea-level rise is unprecedented over the past several millennia.[/quote]
[b]https://sealevel.nasa.gov/faq/13/how-long-have-sea-levels-been-rising-how-does-recent-sea-level-rise-compare-to-that-over-the-previous/[/b]
Oh, wait, I forgot, @hippyjoe1955 thinks he knows more than NASA, [b] LOL!!![/b]
Speak for yourself, bozo. Many of us know that sea levels will keep rising and start flooding more and more coastal cities, flooding trillions and trillions of dollars worth of buildings, etc. Some of us think that outcome is worth spending some money to avoid.
[quote]From about 3,000 years ago to about 100 years ago, sea levels naturally rose and declined slightly, with little change in the overall trend. Over the past 100 years, global temperatures have risen about 1 degree C (1.8 degrees F), with sea level response to that warming totaling about 160 to 210 mm (with about half of that amount occurring since 1993), or about 6 to 8 inches. And the current rate of sea-level rise is unprecedented over the past several millennia.[/quote]
[b]https://sealevel.nasa.gov/faq/13/how-long-have-sea-levels-been-rising-how-does-recent-sea-level-rise-compare-to-that-over-the-previous/[/b]
Oh, wait, I forgot, @hippyjoe1955 thinks he knows more than NASA, [b] LOL!!![/b]
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Ever heard of the Netherlands? Or are YOU a liar??
Also see
https://www.statista.com/chart/19884/number-of-people-affected-by-rising-sea-levels-per-country/
Also see
https://www.statista.com/chart/19884/number-of-people-affected-by-rising-sea-levels-per-country/