Are atheists considered anti-Christ?
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LadyGrace Best Comment
Atheists are anti (against) Christ. They are not THE Antichrist that Revelation speaks of. Anyone who is against Christ is described as "anti-Christ". But I see that many replies under your post have taken the opportunity to drag Christians into this and criticize them and bash them. Labeling/judging all Christians as being the same. What lovely people we have here. They don't even notice how hateful they are and sound to other people, especially Christians.
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BlueSkyKing · M
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?”
― Mark Twain
― Mark Twain
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@BlueSkyKing He's probably in hell. How sad. @Adstar Explains why I've never heard of him. But then again I only know a handful of famous authors.
BlueSkyKing · M
SomeMichGuy · M
@Lichocolati Samuel L. Clemens/Mark Twain is universally acknowledged to be the greatest American author, or one of the greatest American authors, of all time.
However, not knowing another country's literature is not surprising.
However, not knowing another country's literature is not surprising.
bijouxbroussard · F
Some are anti-Christ or rather, anti the Christian religion in most of its forms.
Others agree with the ethics Jesus was said to have advised, but do not believe that he was a son of a god, nor that he rose again.
Many would point to the fact that there is no evidence to support the existence of a man called Jesus born of Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem. The Roman records do not mention his birth, trial or crucifiction. Neither do any Hebrew writings of the time. Though they may simply have been lost.
The new testaments were written two generations after the reported time of the death of Jesus. Meaning there is no certainty that they are valid.
Did Jesus really tell a disciple to steal him an ass so he could ride like a rich man into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday? Was it a colt, jack, jenny, or jenny with foal at foot? The gospels disagree.
By that time there were many sects, each promoting a different angle or interpretation.
It was a quickly growing cult because it asserted that the poor and meek would be first in heaven and the first last. It also asserted acceptance of the rule of law (pay Caesar what it Cesar's, ie taxes, etc). It promoted equality between men and women, between slave, servant, master and all people. It forgave sinners. It promoted turn the other cheek, forgive thine enemy, and love the stranger and your neighbour (anyone nearby). All this appealed enormously to those who were oppressed because it offered hope in the afterlife.
But the fighting between sects as to whose version was the truth or would prevail had already begun, even before any writing of the gospels, and before Timothy had begun writing St Paul's epistles for him.
From the time of Constantine, the early texts were selected with a political agenda (population control), and many, such as the Gospel of St Thomas, were repressed and hidden.
But atheism is not just denying Jesus and Christianity. It usually denies all forms of religion or beliefism.
For atheists there is no god. Any who pretend to be prophets or messiahs are either pretenders with a guru complex, or very wise men trying to reduce the amount of suffering in the world.
Some atheists allow that there [i]might[/i] be some kind of universal consciousness - not a god as such but something akin to the Vedantist idea of[i] atman[/i].
But in general, atheism is usually a rejection of belief in any kind of god. Possibly a more accurate term would be non-theism.
Most atheists accept science's concept that existence came into being with the Big Bang, that nothing existed "prior" to that singularity because there was no before - literally no time or place. We accept the theories and evidence for evolution. We accept that we don't know everything, never can know everything, but that knowledge is growing at an exponential rate as we develop new tools and methods with which to test theories.
Others agree with the ethics Jesus was said to have advised, but do not believe that he was a son of a god, nor that he rose again.
Many would point to the fact that there is no evidence to support the existence of a man called Jesus born of Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem. The Roman records do not mention his birth, trial or crucifiction. Neither do any Hebrew writings of the time. Though they may simply have been lost.
The new testaments were written two generations after the reported time of the death of Jesus. Meaning there is no certainty that they are valid.
Did Jesus really tell a disciple to steal him an ass so he could ride like a rich man into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday? Was it a colt, jack, jenny, or jenny with foal at foot? The gospels disagree.
By that time there were many sects, each promoting a different angle or interpretation.
It was a quickly growing cult because it asserted that the poor and meek would be first in heaven and the first last. It also asserted acceptance of the rule of law (pay Caesar what it Cesar's, ie taxes, etc). It promoted equality between men and women, between slave, servant, master and all people. It forgave sinners. It promoted turn the other cheek, forgive thine enemy, and love the stranger and your neighbour (anyone nearby). All this appealed enormously to those who were oppressed because it offered hope in the afterlife.
But the fighting between sects as to whose version was the truth or would prevail had already begun, even before any writing of the gospels, and before Timothy had begun writing St Paul's epistles for him.
From the time of Constantine, the early texts were selected with a political agenda (population control), and many, such as the Gospel of St Thomas, were repressed and hidden.
But atheism is not just denying Jesus and Christianity. It usually denies all forms of religion or beliefism.
For atheists there is no god. Any who pretend to be prophets or messiahs are either pretenders with a guru complex, or very wise men trying to reduce the amount of suffering in the world.
Some atheists allow that there [i]might[/i] be some kind of universal consciousness - not a god as such but something akin to the Vedantist idea of[i] atman[/i].
But in general, atheism is usually a rejection of belief in any kind of god. Possibly a more accurate term would be non-theism.
Most atheists accept science's concept that existence came into being with the Big Bang, that nothing existed "prior" to that singularity because there was no before - literally no time or place. We accept the theories and evidence for evolution. We accept that we don't know everything, never can know everything, but that knowledge is growing at an exponential rate as we develop new tools and methods with which to test theories.
@Sharon I agree. We have more than enough evidence to accept the Theory of Evolution and nothing to show it to be not so. The main advances have been enlargements of the theory. For instance, competition for survival within a specific environment is not the only active principle. Another is cooperation, symbiosis, and other forms of mutual benefit between species, for instance, between buffalos and tick birds.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@hartfire
[quote]Others agree with the ethics Jesus was said to have advised, but do not believe that he was a son of a god, nor that he rose again. [/quote]
And thats one of the defintions of an Antichrist..
(1 John 2:22-23) "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? [c=4C0073][u]He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son[/u][/c]. {23} Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."
[quote]Others agree with the ethics Jesus was said to have advised, but do not believe that he was a son of a god, nor that he rose again. [/quote]
And thats one of the defintions of an Antichrist..
(1 John 2:22-23) "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? [c=4C0073][u]He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son[/u][/c]. {23} Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."
Sharon · F
@hartfire Sorry, I wasn't arguing against you, I was just trying to clarify the meaning of the word "theory" in science.
We have more than enough evidence to know evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection explains how evolution works. You're right that the theory was needed later refinement, many theories do when addition evidence is found that the current theory can't explain. One you might know about is how Newton's theory of gravity was unable to explain the orbit of Mercury. Quite simply, Newton was wrong. His theory was good enough for most purposes though and the maths. is a lot simpler than Einstein's theory - which was able to explain Mercury's orbit.
We have more than enough evidence to know evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection explains how evolution works. You're right that the theory was needed later refinement, many theories do when addition evidence is found that the current theory can't explain. One you might know about is how Newton's theory of gravity was unable to explain the orbit of Mercury. Quite simply, Newton was wrong. His theory was good enough for most purposes though and the maths. is a lot simpler than Einstein's theory - which was able to explain Mercury's orbit.
reflectingmonkey · 51-55, M
I am not necessarily an atheist, I am open to the idea of a divinity but one might say I am strongly opposed to christianity for a long list of reasons which would be too long to go through but although I am against christianity I am not against Jesus. there was a fairly long period of time between the life of Jesus and the compiling of the bible we know today with the particular choices of which text were included and which were not. I believe there was a great philosopher who lived, inspired people to be better and to love each other. from that moment to the time a roman emperor comissionned an ultimate version of the bible "christianity" was vibrant and alive and people would discuss various text , share various opinions, debated. during those years many perspectives existed, not everyone believed jesus to be a devine person, some thought "son of god" was just a figurative term, like when mathieu say " blessed are the peacemaker for they will be called the children of god" . back then christians were like hippies following an underground movement with various ideas being explored. then came the romans who wanted to control this new movement that scared them so they commissioned an "offical" version and then started persecuting and killing anyone who spread alternative versions of christianity. that's when the christianity i dislike started. Jesus was cool but the bible is the biggest scam in history , created by the same people who killed jesus.
Carazaa · F
@reflectingmonkey "Who do you think I am?" Jesus asked his apostles He said that only God can forgive sin. He asked them "what is easier to tell a man who is handicapped to get up and walk, or say your sins are forgiven?" Then he said to the man who was handicapped by the roadside, get up and walk. The man got up and walked!
Adstar · 56-60, M
True Atheists No.. In my experience people who where born into an atheist family environment are usually neutral or even inquisitive when the topic of Christianity comes up..
But many atheists are former Christians or where brought up in Christian families.. They are the ones who actively attack Christianity and go out of their way to attack Christians who are sharing the Gospel.. They are dedicated to opposing Christianity and Christians when ever the opportunity arrives.. They have not transformed from being Christian to being Neutral towards Christianity.. They have transformed from being Christians to being Anti-Christs..
There are plenty of them on this site who post their hatred and denigration when ever a Christian posts a religious themed post.. Being a Christian and posting this post will probably see a few of these anti-Christs responding with their bigoted toxicity..
But many atheists are former Christians or where brought up in Christian families.. They are the ones who actively attack Christianity and go out of their way to attack Christians who are sharing the Gospel.. They are dedicated to opposing Christianity and Christians when ever the opportunity arrives.. They have not transformed from being Christian to being Neutral towards Christianity.. They have transformed from being Christians to being Anti-Christs..
There are plenty of them on this site who post their hatred and denigration when ever a Christian posts a religious themed post.. Being a Christian and posting this post will probably see a few of these anti-Christs responding with their bigoted toxicity..
Adstar · 56-60, M
@SW-User
[quote]@Adstar sure, you've got a situation like where an estimated 4% of Catholic priests were abusing children and the church simply moved them around from one place to another[/quote]
Well sure but that's not Christianity.. That's human beings being faulty, which is the way human beings are.. I was a catholic before i read the Bible and converted to Christianity.. But even if a pastor or some preacher i rated ended up being guilty of a similar crime as above.. That would not end my belief in God.. If a persons religion is based on scripture and God and they do not follow men then when men fall down and stuff up it does not affect their trust in God..
[quote]You've got situations like my mothers where the cultural predjudices bled into sermons
and priests would literally preach that women were filthy[/quote]
Well all Christians are washed by the Blood of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus and so we are all Saints.. Perfect in the eyes of God even when we are all sinners.. I am guilty of getting filthy every day but God is washing me clean every day.. But again priests are in the catholic religion and i do not acknowledge the catholic religion to be Christian..
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You have also got a certain type of Christian that seems to take great delight in depictions of hell that from my viewpoint are not really supported biblically[/quote]
Well that's true.. The actual depictions of hell i trust in is the one given by Jesus in His his story of Lazarus and the rich man.. But stuff like Dante's inferno has more to do with wild imaginations.. And some preachers do think fear of hell will keep Christians believing God out of fear of Hell.. That's unbiblical.. It is the love for the truth that draws and keeps people.. Living in fear all ones life is just psychologically unsustainable.. But living in Love for life is as easier then drinking water..
[quote]So if you're told you're going to burn eternally for not 'believing' - you're not going to like the person very much, nor probably afford them much respect in return - especially not if it is uttered vindictively [/quote]
Well that's different..
What if the person is telling you the truth? That anyone who rejects the LORD Jesus will be in torment in the eternal Lake of fire, forever and ever??? ( actually Hell and the Lake of Fire are two different places in scripture ) as a side note.. If a mother tells a kid not to touch the oven top because they will get burnt and be in a lot of pain,, is she being vindictive towards her child?? or is she simply giving warning to the child in the hope they will not touch the oven top? What happens when the child does not afford their mother much respect in return and puts their hand on the running heating element on top of the oven?? Not good hey..
[quote]@Adstar sure, you've got a situation like where an estimated 4% of Catholic priests were abusing children and the church simply moved them around from one place to another[/quote]
Well sure but that's not Christianity.. That's human beings being faulty, which is the way human beings are.. I was a catholic before i read the Bible and converted to Christianity.. But even if a pastor or some preacher i rated ended up being guilty of a similar crime as above.. That would not end my belief in God.. If a persons religion is based on scripture and God and they do not follow men then when men fall down and stuff up it does not affect their trust in God..
[quote]You've got situations like my mothers where the cultural predjudices bled into sermons
and priests would literally preach that women were filthy[/quote]
Well all Christians are washed by the Blood of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus and so we are all Saints.. Perfect in the eyes of God even when we are all sinners.. I am guilty of getting filthy every day but God is washing me clean every day.. But again priests are in the catholic religion and i do not acknowledge the catholic religion to be Christian..
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You have also got a certain type of Christian that seems to take great delight in depictions of hell that from my viewpoint are not really supported biblically[/quote]
Well that's true.. The actual depictions of hell i trust in is the one given by Jesus in His his story of Lazarus and the rich man.. But stuff like Dante's inferno has more to do with wild imaginations.. And some preachers do think fear of hell will keep Christians believing God out of fear of Hell.. That's unbiblical.. It is the love for the truth that draws and keeps people.. Living in fear all ones life is just psychologically unsustainable.. But living in Love for life is as easier then drinking water..
[quote]So if you're told you're going to burn eternally for not 'believing' - you're not going to like the person very much, nor probably afford them much respect in return - especially not if it is uttered vindictively [/quote]
Well that's different..
What if the person is telling you the truth? That anyone who rejects the LORD Jesus will be in torment in the eternal Lake of fire, forever and ever??? ( actually Hell and the Lake of Fire are two different places in scripture ) as a side note.. If a mother tells a kid not to touch the oven top because they will get burnt and be in a lot of pain,, is she being vindictive towards her child?? or is she simply giving warning to the child in the hope they will not touch the oven top? What happens when the child does not afford their mother much respect in return and puts their hand on the running heating element on top of the oven?? Not good hey..
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@Adstar there is a difference between someone who genuinely believes it and says it from a position of goodwill and the delight which some supposed Christians show at the thought
But even if you do believe it, you should be able to see the perspective of a non believer
Most people wouldn't condemn the majority of people to eternal suffering
Re 'filthy' That's very different to be forced as a young girl listen to a priest describe your sex specifically in degrading and dehumanizing terms
But even if you do believe it, you should be able to see the perspective of a non believer
Most people wouldn't condemn the majority of people to eternal suffering
Re 'filthy' That's very different to be forced as a young girl listen to a priest describe your sex specifically in degrading and dehumanizing terms
Adstar · 56-60, M
[quote]@SW-User
@Adstar there is a difference between someone who genuinely believes it and says it from a position of goodwill and the delight which some supposed Christians show at the thought
But even if you do believe it, you should be able to see the perspective of a non believer
Most people wouldn't condemn the majority of people to eternal suffering[/quote]
Where not talking about Most people.. Where not even talking about People.. Where talking about a God... What most people think is right or the way it should be is not the way God knows it should be..
As the scriptures say there is a way that men think is right but it is the way that leads to death..
Proverbs 14:
12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
[quote]Re 'filthy' That's very different to be forced as a young girl listen to a priest describe your sex specifically in degrading and dehumanizing terms[/quote]
Again is that Bible scripture... Or is it the obsession of a priest ?? I have no interest in defending any priest or pastor or preacher or prelate... Yeah a girl who has to sit down and listen to that time and time again is going to develop a very negative view of God. Fire and brimstone preachers will often have a similar end result. But their idea of God is based on what is coming out of the priests mouth,, Not what came out of the mouth of the LORD Jesus..
On a personal note.. The priests i had as a kid where not as bad as the example you describe.. I did get a fire and brimstone sermon once from a visiting priest but that was only one sermon and i was not very impressed with it at all.. Even as a young catholic i thought that fire and brimstone was only a protestant thing.. I discovered later that it was rare in protestant churches also..
As a christian i think the preaching of fire and brimstone to Christians is Stupid.. Christians are saved therefore they have no chance of ever facing any fire and brimstone in the lake of fire.. So waving your finger and trying to make Christians fearful of hell is just a waste of time.. It's moronic.. It's almost as if the preacher is telling the congregation to fear that The Atonement of Jesus is somehow ineffective and they are in danger of hellfire... Some denominations are very strange indeed..
@Adstar there is a difference between someone who genuinely believes it and says it from a position of goodwill and the delight which some supposed Christians show at the thought
But even if you do believe it, you should be able to see the perspective of a non believer
Most people wouldn't condemn the majority of people to eternal suffering[/quote]
Where not talking about Most people.. Where not even talking about People.. Where talking about a God... What most people think is right or the way it should be is not the way God knows it should be..
As the scriptures say there is a way that men think is right but it is the way that leads to death..
Proverbs 14:
12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
[quote]Re 'filthy' That's very different to be forced as a young girl listen to a priest describe your sex specifically in degrading and dehumanizing terms[/quote]
Again is that Bible scripture... Or is it the obsession of a priest ?? I have no interest in defending any priest or pastor or preacher or prelate... Yeah a girl who has to sit down and listen to that time and time again is going to develop a very negative view of God. Fire and brimstone preachers will often have a similar end result. But their idea of God is based on what is coming out of the priests mouth,, Not what came out of the mouth of the LORD Jesus..
On a personal note.. The priests i had as a kid where not as bad as the example you describe.. I did get a fire and brimstone sermon once from a visiting priest but that was only one sermon and i was not very impressed with it at all.. Even as a young catholic i thought that fire and brimstone was only a protestant thing.. I discovered later that it was rare in protestant churches also..
As a christian i think the preaching of fire and brimstone to Christians is Stupid.. Christians are saved therefore they have no chance of ever facing any fire and brimstone in the lake of fire.. So waving your finger and trying to make Christians fearful of hell is just a waste of time.. It's moronic.. It's almost as if the preacher is telling the congregation to fear that The Atonement of Jesus is somehow ineffective and they are in danger of hellfire... Some denominations are very strange indeed..
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@Pikachu While we're on the subject what's the difference between someone who believes in ancestral beliefs and a Catholic? They both believe the dead interceed for them
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@LadyGrace Oh my word. God has said it 😅
@Lichocolati ?? Meaning???
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@LadyGrace Apparently they're the Antichrist
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
Yes. If they don't believe is considered enemy. Christ also love our enemies as we love as well. It's unconditional love. Christ still give life each day for giving anyone chances to chose to come to Christ or not.
We don't know anyone's time to die. Everyone's time is different but Christ still forgive them for enough time for choices.
After life is final. We only give the message of the Victory of Christ. Nothing else or forcing anyone.
We don't know anyone's time to die. Everyone's time is different but Christ still forgive them for enough time for choices.
After life is final. We only give the message of the Victory of Christ. Nothing else or forcing anyone.
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
I'm sure. They're convinced there's no Christ and that there's no spirit world which I might add all exits. Some even go as far as trash talk their creator. They're like you believe what was written in some book by people. The funny part is everything we know was taught to us by someone. They say they want evidence of Christ like look in the mirror. You wouldn't be standing there looking at yourself if Christ didn't exist.
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@Sharon You're funny 😂
popmol · 22-25, M
technically just atheist on itself, NO. atheism just the lack of belief in a god and even denying there would be a god.
agnostic atheist is there might be a god if there was proof but i don't know but i don't know.
and then theres an atheist religion hater like myself which thinks religion is the worst thing on the planet.
should be carpet bombed to the ground.
agnostic atheist is there might be a god if there was proof but i don't know but i don't know.
and then theres an atheist religion hater like myself which thinks religion is the worst thing on the planet.
should be carpet bombed to the ground.
Sazzio · 31-35, M
Anti Christ? No way. Their are Atheist then their are Religious people... unfortunately we have too many "Religious" people and very less Religious people. Atheist are Atheist.
Let's explore "Religious" people. Worn the garb, goes Church Sunday, charity... yet what goes on in their mind? Infidelity? Lies? Steal? Betrayal? Church by Morning and devil (their mind) by night??? They can do long ass meditation, become a big preacher... yet they fail to follow the scriptures themselves. My friend.. THAT is Anti Christ. Going against his Will..
Let's explore "Religious" people. Worn the garb, goes Church Sunday, charity... yet what goes on in their mind? Infidelity? Lies? Steal? Betrayal? Church by Morning and devil (their mind) by night??? They can do long ass meditation, become a big preacher... yet they fail to follow the scriptures themselves. My friend.. THAT is Anti Christ. Going against his Will..
ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 46-50, M
@Sazzio So... atheists are angels and religious people are raging hypocrites
Sharon · F
In many case they are wrongly considered anti-christ. Atheists simply don't believe in gods, including the christian version. Some christians like to claim Atheists do believe in the christian god but deny it because they're angry at it. That makes about as much sense as saying people weho don't believe in Santa Claus really do belive in Him but deny it because they're angry at Him - possibly because He didn't bring them the present they asked Him for.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
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MougyWolf · 36-40, M
atheists the lack of belief in god, and either don't care, of more often then not, are smug and cynical about it all, and anti-theists are more out to destroy the very notion of god because they think it's stupid and is harming humanity. It's probably that second crowd that is up to no good and is the anti-christ you is looking for.
rayoflight · 46-50, M
Some Christians would call anyone who doesn't follow their faith anti Christs and/or evil... Like how they called Native peoples "savages" back in the day. I really don't think the Athiests care honestly.
BiasForAction · M
Well if you don’t believe in god then you don’t believe in a messiah. Isn’t that against Christ? I think it must be.
I say this as an agnostic. I’m not smart enough to know who is right.
I say this as an agnostic. I’m not smart enough to know who is right.
SW-User
No. I'm an atheist I suppose although don't like the label but I act more like Jesus than most so called christians do, so it's all bullshit..
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
For the same reason if you only date women doesn’t mean you are sexiest.
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@MrBrownstone sexiest? 😀
InHeaven · F
Not as a noun, maybe as a descriptive adjective of their belief. But there is a single person the Antichrist.
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MorbidCynic · F
No because it’s not just Christianity they are rejecting
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
No, they are seen as irrelevant to each other.
TexChik · F
Nope. Firewood. Hell has got to burn on something!
No.. they just don't believe..
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
No. I can disbelieve in any number of fairy tales but still take lessons from their stories.
An atheist can disbelieve in the existence or divinity of Christ but still believe his tenets make for a positive influence in the world.
I am not that kind of atheist, though. I believe that while there were some good things said and advised by the character portrayed in the new testament, that it does more harm than good in the current age.
An atheist can disbelieve in the existence or divinity of Christ but still believe his tenets make for a positive influence in the world.
I am not that kind of atheist, though. I believe that while there were some good things said and advised by the character portrayed in the new testament, that it does more harm than good in the current age.
NightsWatch · M
i dont BELIEVE so ...
Jimmy2016 · 61-69, M
🤔...........Nope......
ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 46-50, M
No way! Haven't you heard? They're better Christians than most Christians
InHeaven · F
No, they aren’t @ImperialAerosolKidFromEP they can’t be called “Christians” , followers of Christ if He is not God to them. But since all people were created in the image of God they possess a soul, love, compassion, kindness etc naturally or automatically like everyone else, even satanists love their pets, but that does not guarantee anyone Heaven, the door to Heaven in Jesus. In fact, without God, demons usually take control of all good qualities of a person and can rule or lead a person through them.
Human1000 · M
I hope so.
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Considered by [i]whom[/i]?
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strongbow · 46-50, M
Nope, but jews are