Are atheists considered anti-Christ?
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Adstar · 56-60, M
True Atheists No.. In my experience people who where born into an atheist family environment are usually neutral or even inquisitive when the topic of Christianity comes up..
But many atheists are former Christians or where brought up in Christian families.. They are the ones who actively attack Christianity and go out of their way to attack Christians who are sharing the Gospel.. They are dedicated to opposing Christianity and Christians when ever the opportunity arrives.. They have not transformed from being Christian to being Neutral towards Christianity.. They have transformed from being Christians to being Anti-Christs..
There are plenty of them on this site who post their hatred and denigration when ever a Christian posts a religious themed post.. Being a Christian and posting this post will probably see a few of these anti-Christs responding with their bigoted toxicity..
But many atheists are former Christians or where brought up in Christian families.. They are the ones who actively attack Christianity and go out of their way to attack Christians who are sharing the Gospel.. They are dedicated to opposing Christianity and Christians when ever the opportunity arrives.. They have not transformed from being Christian to being Neutral towards Christianity.. They have transformed from being Christians to being Anti-Christs..
There are plenty of them on this site who post their hatred and denigration when ever a Christian posts a religious themed post.. Being a Christian and posting this post will probably see a few of these anti-Christs responding with their bigoted toxicity..
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@Adstar can you see any reason whatsoever why people might be a little salty?
Adstar · 56-60, M
@SW-User Some believe they where lied to.. Feel like they have been scammed maybe.. But the truth of God is not a lie or a scam.. God actually exists and is the God of Abraham.. Now of course there are false churches teaching people false doctrines about God.. For example prosperity doctrine is one.. So i can see that a young Christian brought up in a prosperity doctrine church would feel scammed when they end up destitute with no money or suffering from chronic health problems.. Of course they would cease to believe in that false version of God they where shown.. There are more then a few false doctrine denominations who preach a false god and a lot of people end up discovering that these false doctrine gods do not exist..
Then there are the long term hard core atheists who simply hate one of the true doctrines in the Bible.. They get offended the truth.. They disagree with God before they disbelieve in God.. It has nothing to do with any proof that God does not exist.. It's just the end result of a person hating God and because of the desire to flee fear and find psychological peace of mind they grab at and embrace any argument against Gods existence..
I know people who rejected God and became atheists because God did not grant them a prayer request.. It can be as simple as that.. If a person demands that their God is to be like a genie, forced to grant them wishes, And God does not grant them a wish then they will walk away.. Even when you do show them the true God, They don't want God to be the Way He is.. They want the god of their imagination or nothing...
Then there are the long term hard core atheists who simply hate one of the true doctrines in the Bible.. They get offended the truth.. They disagree with God before they disbelieve in God.. It has nothing to do with any proof that God does not exist.. It's just the end result of a person hating God and because of the desire to flee fear and find psychological peace of mind they grab at and embrace any argument against Gods existence..
I know people who rejected God and became atheists because God did not grant them a prayer request.. It can be as simple as that.. If a person demands that their God is to be like a genie, forced to grant them wishes, And God does not grant them a wish then they will walk away.. Even when you do show them the true God, They don't want God to be the Way He is.. They want the god of their imagination or nothing...
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@Adstar sure, you've got a situation like where an estimated 4% of Catholic priests were abusing children and the church simply moved them around from one place to another
You've got situations like my mothers where the cultural predjudices bled into sermons
and priests would literally preach that women were filthy
You have also got a certain type of Christian that seems to take great delight in depictions of hell that from my viewpoint are not really supported biblically
So if you're told you're going to burn eternally for not 'believing' - you're not going to like the person very much, nor probably afford them much respect in return - especially not if it is uttered vindictively
It is pretty basic human nature 🤷♀️
You've got situations like my mothers where the cultural predjudices bled into sermons
and priests would literally preach that women were filthy
You have also got a certain type of Christian that seems to take great delight in depictions of hell that from my viewpoint are not really supported biblically
So if you're told you're going to burn eternally for not 'believing' - you're not going to like the person very much, nor probably afford them much respect in return - especially not if it is uttered vindictively
It is pretty basic human nature 🤷♀️
Adstar · 56-60, M
@SW-User
[quote]@Adstar sure, you've got a situation like where an estimated 4% of Catholic priests were abusing children and the church simply moved them around from one place to another[/quote]
Well sure but that's not Christianity.. That's human beings being faulty, which is the way human beings are.. I was a catholic before i read the Bible and converted to Christianity.. But even if a pastor or some preacher i rated ended up being guilty of a similar crime as above.. That would not end my belief in God.. If a persons religion is based on scripture and God and they do not follow men then when men fall down and stuff up it does not affect their trust in God..
[quote]You've got situations like my mothers where the cultural predjudices bled into sermons
and priests would literally preach that women were filthy[/quote]
Well all Christians are washed by the Blood of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus and so we are all Saints.. Perfect in the eyes of God even when we are all sinners.. I am guilty of getting filthy every day but God is washing me clean every day.. But again priests are in the catholic religion and i do not acknowledge the catholic religion to be Christian..
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You have also got a certain type of Christian that seems to take great delight in depictions of hell that from my viewpoint are not really supported biblically[/quote]
Well that's true.. The actual depictions of hell i trust in is the one given by Jesus in His his story of Lazarus and the rich man.. But stuff like Dante's inferno has more to do with wild imaginations.. And some preachers do think fear of hell will keep Christians believing God out of fear of Hell.. That's unbiblical.. It is the love for the truth that draws and keeps people.. Living in fear all ones life is just psychologically unsustainable.. But living in Love for life is as easier then drinking water..
[quote]So if you're told you're going to burn eternally for not 'believing' - you're not going to like the person very much, nor probably afford them much respect in return - especially not if it is uttered vindictively [/quote]
Well that's different..
What if the person is telling you the truth? That anyone who rejects the LORD Jesus will be in torment in the eternal Lake of fire, forever and ever??? ( actually Hell and the Lake of Fire are two different places in scripture ) as a side note.. If a mother tells a kid not to touch the oven top because they will get burnt and be in a lot of pain,, is she being vindictive towards her child?? or is she simply giving warning to the child in the hope they will not touch the oven top? What happens when the child does not afford their mother much respect in return and puts their hand on the running heating element on top of the oven?? Not good hey..
[quote]@Adstar sure, you've got a situation like where an estimated 4% of Catholic priests were abusing children and the church simply moved them around from one place to another[/quote]
Well sure but that's not Christianity.. That's human beings being faulty, which is the way human beings are.. I was a catholic before i read the Bible and converted to Christianity.. But even if a pastor or some preacher i rated ended up being guilty of a similar crime as above.. That would not end my belief in God.. If a persons religion is based on scripture and God and they do not follow men then when men fall down and stuff up it does not affect their trust in God..
[quote]You've got situations like my mothers where the cultural predjudices bled into sermons
and priests would literally preach that women were filthy[/quote]
Well all Christians are washed by the Blood of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus and so we are all Saints.. Perfect in the eyes of God even when we are all sinners.. I am guilty of getting filthy every day but God is washing me clean every day.. But again priests are in the catholic religion and i do not acknowledge the catholic religion to be Christian..
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You have also got a certain type of Christian that seems to take great delight in depictions of hell that from my viewpoint are not really supported biblically[/quote]
Well that's true.. The actual depictions of hell i trust in is the one given by Jesus in His his story of Lazarus and the rich man.. But stuff like Dante's inferno has more to do with wild imaginations.. And some preachers do think fear of hell will keep Christians believing God out of fear of Hell.. That's unbiblical.. It is the love for the truth that draws and keeps people.. Living in fear all ones life is just psychologically unsustainable.. But living in Love for life is as easier then drinking water..
[quote]So if you're told you're going to burn eternally for not 'believing' - you're not going to like the person very much, nor probably afford them much respect in return - especially not if it is uttered vindictively [/quote]
Well that's different..
What if the person is telling you the truth? That anyone who rejects the LORD Jesus will be in torment in the eternal Lake of fire, forever and ever??? ( actually Hell and the Lake of Fire are two different places in scripture ) as a side note.. If a mother tells a kid not to touch the oven top because they will get burnt and be in a lot of pain,, is she being vindictive towards her child?? or is she simply giving warning to the child in the hope they will not touch the oven top? What happens when the child does not afford their mother much respect in return and puts their hand on the running heating element on top of the oven?? Not good hey..
SW-User
@Adstar there is a difference between someone who genuinely believes it and says it from a position of goodwill and the delight which some supposed Christians show at the thought
But even if you do believe it, you should be able to see the perspective of a non believer
Most people wouldn't condemn the majority of people to eternal suffering
Re 'filthy' That's very different to be forced as a young girl listen to a priest describe your sex specifically in degrading and dehumanizing terms
But even if you do believe it, you should be able to see the perspective of a non believer
Most people wouldn't condemn the majority of people to eternal suffering
Re 'filthy' That's very different to be forced as a young girl listen to a priest describe your sex specifically in degrading and dehumanizing terms
Adstar · 56-60, M
[quote]@SW-User
@Adstar there is a difference between someone who genuinely believes it and says it from a position of goodwill and the delight which some supposed Christians show at the thought
But even if you do believe it, you should be able to see the perspective of a non believer
Most people wouldn't condemn the majority of people to eternal suffering[/quote]
Where not talking about Most people.. Where not even talking about People.. Where talking about a God... What most people think is right or the way it should be is not the way God knows it should be..
As the scriptures say there is a way that men think is right but it is the way that leads to death..
Proverbs 14:
12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
[quote]Re 'filthy' That's very different to be forced as a young girl listen to a priest describe your sex specifically in degrading and dehumanizing terms[/quote]
Again is that Bible scripture... Or is it the obsession of a priest ?? I have no interest in defending any priest or pastor or preacher or prelate... Yeah a girl who has to sit down and listen to that time and time again is going to develop a very negative view of God. Fire and brimstone preachers will often have a similar end result. But their idea of God is based on what is coming out of the priests mouth,, Not what came out of the mouth of the LORD Jesus..
On a personal note.. The priests i had as a kid where not as bad as the example you describe.. I did get a fire and brimstone sermon once from a visiting priest but that was only one sermon and i was not very impressed with it at all.. Even as a young catholic i thought that fire and brimstone was only a protestant thing.. I discovered later that it was rare in protestant churches also..
As a christian i think the preaching of fire and brimstone to Christians is Stupid.. Christians are saved therefore they have no chance of ever facing any fire and brimstone in the lake of fire.. So waving your finger and trying to make Christians fearful of hell is just a waste of time.. It's moronic.. It's almost as if the preacher is telling the congregation to fear that The Atonement of Jesus is somehow ineffective and they are in danger of hellfire... Some denominations are very strange indeed..
@Adstar there is a difference between someone who genuinely believes it and says it from a position of goodwill and the delight which some supposed Christians show at the thought
But even if you do believe it, you should be able to see the perspective of a non believer
Most people wouldn't condemn the majority of people to eternal suffering[/quote]
Where not talking about Most people.. Where not even talking about People.. Where talking about a God... What most people think is right or the way it should be is not the way God knows it should be..
As the scriptures say there is a way that men think is right but it is the way that leads to death..
Proverbs 14:
12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
[quote]Re 'filthy' That's very different to be forced as a young girl listen to a priest describe your sex specifically in degrading and dehumanizing terms[/quote]
Again is that Bible scripture... Or is it the obsession of a priest ?? I have no interest in defending any priest or pastor or preacher or prelate... Yeah a girl who has to sit down and listen to that time and time again is going to develop a very negative view of God. Fire and brimstone preachers will often have a similar end result. But their idea of God is based on what is coming out of the priests mouth,, Not what came out of the mouth of the LORD Jesus..
On a personal note.. The priests i had as a kid where not as bad as the example you describe.. I did get a fire and brimstone sermon once from a visiting priest but that was only one sermon and i was not very impressed with it at all.. Even as a young catholic i thought that fire and brimstone was only a protestant thing.. I discovered later that it was rare in protestant churches also..
As a christian i think the preaching of fire and brimstone to Christians is Stupid.. Christians are saved therefore they have no chance of ever facing any fire and brimstone in the lake of fire.. So waving your finger and trying to make Christians fearful of hell is just a waste of time.. It's moronic.. It's almost as if the preacher is telling the congregation to fear that The Atonement of Jesus is somehow ineffective and they are in danger of hellfire... Some denominations are very strange indeed..