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I think immigrants view their home country with rose tinted glasses sometimes.

luckranger71 · 51-55, M
As an American, my opinion counts as much as yours regardless of where I live. I know some Texans think the nation revolves around them, but there are also people of Mexican descent in my part of the country and some of them are, gasp, “illegal”. I’m quite certain my grasp of Texas is superior to yours of the Upper Midwest. Your original meme is moronic because it presumes that Mexican immigrants want to change the US into Mexico.

This nation has ALWAYS been changing and evolving and much of it has been because of the influx of immigrants from everywhere, which has made it the most dynamic nation on earth. And some have always been uncomfortable with that change. For 150+ years of mass immigration. Well, evolve, adapt and stop crying about people showing pride in their homeland in this country. This happened in New York, Chicago, Boston, LA, Seattle etc long before it happened in Texas. People acclimated. So can you. @JesseInTX
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
You “real Texans” are so sensitive. I mean what say do the inhabitants of the four largest cities in the state have a say in anything? 😂@JesseInTX
GERRI · 51-55, F
@luckranger71 Untrue-- migration in the U.S. was only unrestricted during its first century of existence. Federal laws have always been to restrict immigration for the specific reason to NOT change our culture. The "quota migration" law only changed in 1965.
GERRI · 51-55, F
@luckranger71 There hasn't been any "MASS-IMMIGRATION" for the last 150 years--- much of the last 150 years, until 1965 has seen some of our most restrictive migration policies. Education, health, race, politics all were considered when allowing or rejecting immigrants. For better or worse, moral or immoral, principled or unprincipled--- those are the facts...
MasterofNone · 26-30, M
I don't understand that either. I was born an Indian Hindu. There is indeed this obnoxious and immense pride that they have but they also just want to somehow migrate out of this country. And yes they're racists towards Muslims and blacks. But that's something that's not just seen in proud Hindus but also proud Muslims, Mexicans, etc.. Since I'm an Indian I know the deep conversations that they have too. They'll be making fun of American food and the culture and almost everything. And yet they don't want to come back.
And when they come back to India all they would do is complain about India.

What does that tell you ? People from all cultures are told that they're the best and that they're great. When they start to see that some other place is better they can't cope up with that. So they start trying compare everything in their culture to that other culture believing that the only way they can feel superior is by making their culture seem superior. But the ones who are from the most developed countries never compare their culture to any other culture.

Funny things are happening in India. They credit almost every invention back to some Indian mythological stories that we were taught as kids. It's like saying Leonardo Da Vinci is the inventor of Flying vehicles.
Every Indian becomes proud when someone from India becomes a CEO of an American company but what they fail to see is that that person does not have an Indian citizenship anymore. They have gone beyond the bigotry.

I don't blame a particular community for this though. It's a general human behavior. You have to make others believe you are great when you very well know you are not.
JBird · F
@MasterofNone I know this happens in almost every Eastern culture. I referenced Indian Hindus because that's the only group I have ever interacted with.
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
Goodnight people. There’s no way you’ll understand me. All of feel free to block me, What all y’all are implying without saying it directly is you don’t like Trump. That’s what I figured @bijouxbroussard
@JesseInTX And I guess you're saying that you do. You're right, I don't understand white supremacists or their apologists. And with Trump that's always his bottom line. There may be some blacks who can ignore that to get what they want from him. I'm not among that 8%.
GERRI · 51-55, F
@luckranger71 You prove yourself to be very divisive. Any anti-immigration attitudes in the U.S. today, you should know you have contributed to them. You project the same persona as an 1870 Carpetbagger. Do you understand the meaning of that?
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I think many people just want to feel proud of whatever country they can consider as theirs i felt that way when i immigrated to the us. i wanted to be an american but i had a heavy accent and no one would accept me as american so i cold only talk about where i was originally from. that's definitely something not to be proud of but give it time and thoes immigrants would consider where they live now as where they are from. i had a tough time accepting that i can not claim any a forgin country as mine because i wanted it to be mine everyone else had something they could brag about around me but i could not mow im proud to be american.its not about them going back to their country its about them having something that they can be proud of about their country.
GERRI · 51-55, F
I've often wondered why we have an Irish celebration with a parade every year in NYC, and why do we dye the river green in Chicago, each St. Patty's Day? Are these a religious celebration or a heritage/nationalism celebration?
Why do those that have never been to Italy nor even speak Italian and were born and raised in Brooklyn, call themselves "Italian-American"-- Why are there no days celebrating English heritage?--- why do I hear no one claiming to be English-American? Why the differences within our own society? (singular) Do some suffer from feeling inferior and must identify with a culture other than their current environment?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I'm assuming you're descended from immigrants. So why didn't your ancestors go back? Or were they ashamed of their countries?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@JBird Well in that case my argument is pointless lol. Carry on!
GERRI · 51-55, F
@CountScrofula There are no "Indigenous" people in my hemisphere--- we all migrated here,, some by land bridge, some by ice sheets, some by boat. I was born here, therefore I am a native to the land in which I live. Problem?
GERRI · 51-55, F
@CountScrofula Your "indigenous people" argument was/is a fallacy to begin with. Based on the latest scientific, archeology, and genetic studies, those modern people with the claim of "Native Americans" seems to have not been the first to arrive here.
As politically incorrect as that is to say.
Taking pride in one’s culture is one thing, but it’s hard to deny the fact that they left their country of origin for obvious reasons.

Most people don’t return to their homeland, other than for short visits because they’ve already established homes wherever they’ve migrated to.
Being Hindu is a religion, though. 🤔 I assume moving to a different country is already complicated enough, doing it twice when it’s not necessary would be a bit much, especially if you do not have the finances to support it.
Assimilating has to do with culture and behaviour. Most countries generally have similar laws. It’s not too far of a stretch for them to still keep their culture. If you go to Russia, they almost have the same laws as the USA, but a completely different style in behaviour and culture. You don’t need to change that to still follow the same laws. Laws have very little to do with culture. @GERRI
GERRI · 51-55, F
@McRen What? ok you win. 😴
Lol @GERRI
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Immigrants want to move..
The Q should be why don’t refugees and the oppressed return home once their oppressors have been removed? 🤔
JBird · F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout if immigrants want to move, they better be ready to accept a new culture
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Everyone has their reasons why they’re here, and why they stay here. And especially older people, often have a hard time assimilating. Finally, most people don’t come to the US for the [i]culture[/i].

Doesn’t always mean that they don’t contribute to society and we aren’t better off with them here. Not everyone needs to like everyone or fit in.

About half of the older folks in my wave of immigrants went back around retirement time, maybe more. And they’re a thousand times happier.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
I think it's a few things:
* Most do love their new country. Really.
* Often they face attitudes that their country or culture are inferior. They shouldn't have to feel ashamed of who they are or where they've come from.
* No-one can just 'change culture' overnight. Second generation tend to be a stronger mix of both.
* They don't ever have to become exactly like you and me.
JBird · F
@Abstraction for the first point, I did meet immigrants who talk trash about white people, their culture, religion even though they decided to move there permanently.


This isn't anything about inferiority. Not all immigrants but several of them like to rub onto people that their culture and religion is great. I am talking about non Christian immigrants who often treat minority Christians like a garbage and yet move to a Christian majority country.


I agree with that third point but sometimes that attitude can be passed to second generation.

No one can be like us. But it's necessary they could practice tolerance.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@JBird Yes, you do get some who come and criticise the culture of the country they have come to. I hear you.
raysam363 · 31-35, F
I don't know. Great grandparents wanted something more, so they moved, learned the language, culture, etc. and contributed to society in any way they could. Can't recall them ever asking for anything other than help moving furniture in their old age.
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Well, we're riding the coattails of someone, even today >_>
msros · F
So developed is their country that they had to run away from it, lol.
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PeterJ · 51-55, M
Love to pack them up and ship them out
That's a good question. Possibly whatever the flaws of their adopted country, it's actually better than what they, personally left. Regardless of their nostalgia for the "homeland".

 
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