@Budwick It's kinda strange to say that Budwick...
Since a lot of presidents [i](for example: Nixon, Reagan)[/i] ran on the idea that they had to restore law and order by getting more police on the street and cracking down hard on "crimes".
An this president, also said several times, that the good old days where the times that people were brought away on a stretcher after getting involved with the police, was a good thing. Something a lot of people voted for.
This feels more like a 180 just before the elections. It's a bit like waving the rainbow flag, and once in office kicking them out of the militairy and removing anti-discrimination laws when it comes to their healthcare.
@SW-User Why not defend Trump? This is good. Hopefully it’s not just words printed on a piece of paper. Next is to follow up with action.
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@SimplyTracie cause he’s a dork... But yes, we shall see what happens now... signing an executive order doesn’t always equate to pixie dust being sprinkled on the issue and it’s instantly fixed
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I just watched the press conference. I know some people will say at least he's doing something. I wish he'd get a clue that he needs to ask for calm and make some attempt to unify the nation. He went off on some rambling tangents. Better late than never? Probably for his base, along with the ones that have been on the fence as to whether to vote for him again.
@SW-User if you check out any business person , they have all had failures. And I am not a republican, I don't drink anybody's kool-aid. Now, as far as unemployment goes, I see new factories being built near me, and their parking lots are full! My hubby works for GM and many of the depts. in his shop are working 24/7. Chrysler is building a new Jeep plant in Detroit, and Ford was advertising for skilled trades on the radio! There is a new skilled trades school starting in Detroit, and I see "help wanted" signs all over where I live, so, I would think you will be pleasantly surprised when the new unemployment numbers come out in the next few months. I predict big gains every quarter!
And also, about the "civil war",I have heard that about several presidents in my lifetime, and it has never happened, and never will! All that talk is from a bunch of radicals that want their time in front of a microphone.
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@fanuc2013 lol. I never stated you were a Republican.
Not every business person has had failures as you state. Most haven't. And, it's very rare for anyone to have as many failures as Trump has had. Usually, when that occurs, it means either incompetence or huckster. But, ya know, keep those blinders on about your God Trump.
Every state is experiencing high unemployment rates. That's a fact posted by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. I stated [quote] We haven't seen the economic fallout yet [/quote] Although I don't believe your area is currently experiencing such an amazing expansion at this moment in time as you are claiming, if it is, just wait. It's normal for the full effect of an economic fallout to be delayed. Bankruptcies don't happen overnight. As I stated, there will be a domino effect. Many business owners are doing whatever they can to stay afloat. So, make sure you're saving your pennies. We will be experiencing some very stormy weather in 2021 and beyond. And, if Biden pulls off a miracle & wins, the economic downturn won't be attributable to him. It will be attributable to Trump and those morons on both sides of the aisles who pushed such a terrible stimulus package through. They've completely devalued the dollar. I know people who can't get their employees to go back to work because their employees have been making more money not working.
I don't know the crowd you're running around with but, I've never heard we'll experience a civil war under any other presidency in my lifetime.
You and I will never agree. You can have the last word if you like because I won't be responding any further. I'm not interested in continuing this useless discussion with you. It's a complete waste of our time. Enjoy your life.
All bullshit - the police departments should already have these measures in practice. What he needs to sign is a immediate termination for any police office that is not following the rules.
@MarmeeMarch the federal government has limited powers on telling the states what to do on a lot of things. I'm not a lawyer, but that subject was covered in government class. States all have different laws, regulations and rules covering their employees, from police to teachers to street cleaners. So, it is a complicated subject.
@fanuc2013 Hmmm, why is that I wonder? Lotsa people enjoy reading about others being insulted? Sometimes when a leader makes fun of others, people cheer. So weird.
@SimplyTracie we've never had that before! Past presidents just let anyone hurl insults, make accusations, even if it was so outlandish it couldn't be true, and the accusers didn't have to worry about any repercussions. Now they're getting back a little of what they've sown, and a lot of people think it's about time!
@fanuc2013 I don’t believe in retaliation. Maybe it’s because I’m just a coward and won’t punch back.
Or maybe there is wisdom in a quote: Weak people retaliate Strong people forgive Smart people ignore.
One smart person responded when he was criticized by saying nothing and simply ignored their remarks. I know how that feels. People here would call me stupid and then block me. Like I care.
@SimplyTracie yes, he did have a gun. Now, all conservatives don't love Trump, but he is the best alternative at this point. I have hever heard of a conservative making threats like that. But, there probably have been some, there are mental cases on both sides.
@SimplyTracie I kind of liked Gabbard, but the good-ole-boy network would never let her get the nomination. Now Romney's father was our governor many years ago, and did a good job
I'm not familiar with the order. What I heard him say before was he was signing an executive order "[b]recommending[/b]" that states follow guidelines he set forth. To his credit this is a move in the right direction but it will have no real teeth as the states and individual jurisdictions can reject it outright if they choose.
@SimplyTracie As far as I know typically yes because there's really no point in issuing an executive order that is a mere suggestion. However that is what Trump said whether or not he misspoke I do not know.
My thoughts were that by issuing the executive order he was hoping to quell some of the protests and outrage in the country.
Then if he were so inclined he could probably withhold some funding from states that did not abide by the order if it were issued. I do not think he will as I believe it was an attempt to make it appear as if he has taken action.
@fanuc2013 Congress may try to overturn an executive order by passing a bill that blocks it. But the president can veto that bill. Congress would then need to override that veto(two-thirds support in each chamber of congress) to pass the bill. Also, the Supreme Court can declare an executive order unconstitutional.
@Dominus [quote]and the staff at Brietbart, you know the media that's always attacking Trump.[/quote] You think they attack Trump? 🤔 It’s more likely they do this: 👇🏼
@fanuc2013 Both major political forces (no different to here in Australia) get embedded in their own 'thinking circles' and can't step back to look at the bigger picture. The Liberal/republican party here in Australia has changed leaders multiples times just in the current term that Trump has been POTUS 45, and it severely erodes public trust when a key political party can't keep it's own house in order.
Whatever he rushes through or begins is going to be so pathetically watered down it'll be kicked out anyway the minute the election results are announced. And THEN maybe we'll see something more in line with what the constitution intended all along, that old "all men are created equal" bit, remember that?
I don't think it will result in any actual positive action or change. Right now it's just talk from someone who seems to have disdain for anyone that isn't super rich and white.
@SimplyTracie No. This president shouldn't direct any operations at any levels but the serious answer to your question is "no." Yet abiding by consistent guidelines put in place by a president is acceptable in my opinion. Such as '[i]Deadly force only when an imminent threat to another life exists[/i].'
I hope that didn’t come across as sarcasm, I seriously thought he’d already said he was doing it last week I think. I’m probably mistaken though @SimplyTracie
trump just saying, "You guys stop being bad," isn't going to get it. If he was serious about police reform the very first thing he would do is do away with Qualified Immunity, and the atmosphere that supports it.
Anything other than that is nothing more than him playing lip service to try to look good to minorities.
@SimplyTracie hahahaha he lives in wonderland! he thinks cause he says it makes it true. We had protests here to stop his visit when he did someone did this visible from his flight path
He is not going to sign anything that changes anything. He will have studies conducted on whether police brutality is wrong and whether it should be stopped.
Kamala Harris and Cory Booker can teach dumpy what is up.
Van Jones, former Obama spokesman, praised Trump on the police reform order. A lot of critics say it's not enough, but it's a lot more than Obama did. Let's see hòw it goes, and maybe something might be added later if needed.
@fanuc2013 [quote]. . . but it's a lot more than Obama did. Let's see hòw it goes, and maybe something might be added later if needed[/quote]
[b]Trump's scrapping of Obama-era reforms hinders police reform[/b]
"Under Obama, 14 consent decrees were enforced upon troubled and discriminatory police agencies. By contrast, none have been issued in the more than three years of the Trump administration.
By scrapping the use of consent decrees, Trump has effectively made it much harder for the US to recover from the turmoil roiling the nation. In the absence of federal pressure, any reform impetus will have to come from cities and states acting in isolation or from inside police agencies that are likely to be resistant to change."
@TwiddlerofThumbs Although I’m not sure what Trump’s reform will look like, I would like to see the people from each county shape it instead of the federal government.
@SimplyTracie I just looked at the EO briefly. I can now guarantee you that he didn't read it. His attention span isn't long enough to allow him to sit long enough to read complex material.
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Let me guess, he is going to hire more cops and throw lots of money around.
Isn't this the same sad pathetic man that said neo nazis are fine people ? Police to act fairly ok arrest the lying sack of shit for all crimes he committed before and during his presidency
