@JohnnyNoir and this is why I hate being the south and I hate my southern roots, just found out that the Cherokee used the same flag and I'm ashamed of it.
@BEENOV it may be a hard pill for you to swallow but the primary reason for succession was indeed the disagreement over states' rights for the holding of slaves. The 13th amendment was passed in 1865. The civil war ended on April 9th. On December 6, 1865, slavery throughout the United States became illegal when Georgia ratified the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.
Four years earlier, however, Congress had passed a different 13th Amendment, stating, “No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.” Fortunately, only two states ratified it, and in the meantime, 11 states seceded from the Union. That lead to the civil war.
Two years later, the nation moved in the opposite direction, towards abolishing slavery, when President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. However, its effect was limited as it didn’t extend emancipation to those in the border states or in those parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Union control.
Finally, on January 31, 1865, Congress passed a new 13th Amendment, which stated, “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” This new version was approved by President Lincoln the following day and quickly ratified by 18 of the necessary 27 states within a month, but stalled with the assassination of President Lincoln in April of that year.
Finally, in December 1865, Georgia became the 27th state to ratify the amendment, fulfilling the requirement that three-quarters of the states approve of a Constitutional amendment.
The Confederate flag is no less an American flag then the American flag. Attributing atrocities to any flag does not celebrate some of the diversity that that flag also represented. I don't have a Confederate flag I've never flown one on a flagpole at a house that I've owned but I don't have any hard feelings to someone that does. Flying a flag is an expression of free speech.
@beermeplease It wasn't my favourite show but it does give a bit of perspective on how suddenly the confederate flag is evil incarnate while the stars and stripes are being waved over troops committing genocide (Vietnam) or the slaughter in Ukraine. I'll take the confeds at least they had no delusions of being a world power. They simply wanted to be left to their own affairs. "I'll take care of my business and you take care of yours."
Bill Clinton had one in his office as Governor of Arkansas. They even had a Confederate day in Arkansas. Now, the party that fought for the Confederates in our Civil War is the party screaming about its existence in an attempt to hoodwink the African American block out of their votes again but blaming the other party for their misdeeds. Nobody else really cares.
About the same as I do whenever I see it outside of a museum or text book. I'm used to seeing people claiming to be patriots while revering the battle flag of treason. Those people are so far gone in their willful ignorance of the symbolism and so performatively patriotic that it being the "birthday" of the nation that flag flew in opposition too is just another day.
@samueltyler2 If you want to model your country on the Irish vs English situation, go right ahead (but why?)
There has never been a 'Scot vs UK' war.The current arrangement of a Scottish parliament within the United Kingdom seems to work quite well and amicably, considering the history of Scots/Engish conflict. People CAN come to their senses.
@ffony I did not say that I want to model our country on any other country. You raised the issue of long standing animosity. I didn't even bring up so many others, mostly ethnic/religious. It isn't a matter of someone coming to their senses, the US Civil war has been festering ever since the confederates fired the first shot at Ft. Sumter, and not because the victorious union tried to not end the war. The head of the Heritage Foundation stated recently, a warm civil war has already started, he further said that the left will be responsible if the war turns bloody. But, look at the videos from the Jan 6 insurrection, the confederate flags were all over the place.
@Lovesungoddess (Child of the Universe 😉): I'd yawn, being grateful that I have no stake or interest in any of that; and reaffirming my dislike of flags and of waving them.