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BEENOV · M
They are Americans as well and the civil war issues have no bearing on today's way of life.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@BEENOV you have to be Kidding!
BEENOV · M
No I'm not, everyone has the right to there opinion, if they are flying a flag on July 4th is to celebrate Independence Day. These guys and girls are as American as you or anyone else. If you knew the true history of the Civil War you would know slavery was NOT the reason
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@BEENOV be serious! please tell is, what do you believe was the "true reason." Do you deny even then, that the Confederacy did not try to split the country, were traitors? The confederate flag is a symbol of the worst that happened to the US internally in its history.
BEENOV · M
@samueltyler2 please remember how young this Country was, the south was becoming extremely wealthy and made a decision for susesion from the north and ultimately control and govern the US as it was at that time.
Please excuse my spelling errors if any 1 looks suspect
Please excuse my spelling errors if any 1 looks suspect
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@BEENOV you need to learn your history! The compromises missed that helped write the constitution were to get the Southern states to join the union on 1779. The South had most of the wealth and needed to help find the debt from the war. They wanted to destroy the union and become independent, primarily because of the slavery issue, and he were all traitors. The north screwed up by not doing to traitors what the custom was.
BEENOV · M
That's what I said, the Sound told the North to get lost, nothing to do with slavery now, right
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@BEENOV wrong, the primary division was the confederate's desire the keep their slaves, that was how they could make money, by owning their workers! Read the history! Again, regardless, the confederates were traitors and the use of their symbol is despicable!
BEENOV · M
@samueltyler2 Traitors to who? The government set up by the founding Fathers that all had slaves, had offspring with slaves, please. It's similar to today regarding the Washington elites. Question, if Joe Biden walked into your place of business and asked for a job, would you him?
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@BEENOV so now you have exposed yourself as what you are, no wonder I can not have a realistic discussion with you. We know all about the fact that many of the founding fathers had slaves, but most gave them up through the following decades. Further, when they wrote the constitution, they admitted that the union wasn't perfect and needed improvement.
The confederates were traitors to the union. If the country has acted with them as would have happened in 1776, they would have had rapid trials and hanged on the nearest trees
Where were you educated that you are so poorly informed about US history?
I give up trying to help you understand US history.
The confederates were traitors to the union. If the country has acted with them as would have happened in 1776, they would have had rapid trials and hanged on the nearest trees
Where were you educated that you are so poorly informed about US history?
I give up trying to help you understand US history.
BEENOV · M
#1 you are indeed exposed your self sir. You seem to be troubled by the facts. You insist that the South committed a treasonous act, when in fact as you have previously mentioned the War payments are nothing but a proposal here for written by the union. No agreement was ever made to participate in these expenses.
I know more about America's real history than you will ever know. As long as you believe the Southern states to be traitors you will never know the truth. Let me ask you sir how you came about your education
I know more about America's real history than you will ever know. As long as you believe the Southern states to be traitors you will never know the truth. Let me ask you sir how you came about your education
BEENOV · M
You have not responded? Are you laying down your arms
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@BEENOV it may be a hard pill for you to swallow but the primary reason for succession was indeed the disagreement over states' rights for the holding of slaves. The 13th amendment was passed in 1865. The civil war ended on April 9th. On December 6, 1865, slavery throughout the United States became illegal when Georgia ratified the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.
Four years earlier, however, Congress had passed a different 13th Amendment, stating, “No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.” Fortunately, only two states ratified it, and in the meantime, 11 states seceded from the Union. That lead to the civil war.
Two years later, the nation moved in the opposite direction, towards abolishing slavery, when President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. However, its effect was limited as it didn’t extend emancipation to those in the border states or in those parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Union control.
Finally, on January 31, 1865, Congress passed a new 13th Amendment, which stated, “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” This new version was approved by President Lincoln the following day and quickly ratified by 18 of the necessary 27 states within a month, but stalled with the assassination of President Lincoln in April of that year.
Finally, in December 1865, Georgia became the 27th state to ratify the amendment, fulfilling the requirement that three-quarters of the states approve of a Constitutional amendment.
Four years earlier, however, Congress had passed a different 13th Amendment, stating, “No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.” Fortunately, only two states ratified it, and in the meantime, 11 states seceded from the Union. That lead to the civil war.
Two years later, the nation moved in the opposite direction, towards abolishing slavery, when President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. However, its effect was limited as it didn’t extend emancipation to those in the border states or in those parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Union control.
Finally, on January 31, 1865, Congress passed a new 13th Amendment, which stated, “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” This new version was approved by President Lincoln the following day and quickly ratified by 18 of the necessary 27 states within a month, but stalled with the assassination of President Lincoln in April of that year.
Finally, in December 1865, Georgia became the 27th state to ratify the amendment, fulfilling the requirement that three-quarters of the states approve of a Constitutional amendment.
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