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Forced Public Education?

I am pro public education and against private, especially Christian schools. Our society needs a large population of well rounded and truly intelligent kids to take over one day. Your thoughts?
Burnley12341-45, M
I'm a teacher in the UK and we have similar debate issues: albeit the Christian hard-right is much smaller so that is not as much of an issue. We don't have debates on whether evolution or climate change are real.

What you are witnessing in each of our countries is the political right blaming others for problems that they have created. Decades of underfunding and the splintering of education systems by the Charter School/Acadamany drive have created problems and produced mediocrity. Instead of looking at the best performing school systems in the world and learning from that (for example, Finland and Ontario) the right is determined to bring even more neo-liberal 'logic' and further compound the problems that they themselves created. It's based on the ideological belief that the market must always be more efficient and more effective than 'big government,' even in a natural monopoly and when the evidence says the opposite.

There is also the conspiracy that schools are 'indoctrination centres.' Whilst is true that most teachers lean towards the left, it's normally soft-left and some are barely political. It's quite logical that public sector workers are going to lean this way it's also quite logical that they are going to be in active unions when terms and conditions are under pressure. The motivation of teachers is based on a desire to educate the young and that is so obvious that I'm embarrassed to have to say this.

If teaching that the British Empire did bad things, that racism is bad and that climate change is real, constitutes a political conspiracy.... well sad to say folks: reality is conspiring against your belief system and it's you who wants to indoctrinate others. And indoctrinate others will bullshit you got from lousy media sources and internet conspiracies. I'm not going to teach children that BLM is Marxist or that Greta Thunberg is wrong, no matter how certain half of the SW politics section thinks it is. When it (rarely) comes up, I make efforts to be politically neutral in the classroom. To give credence to bullshit would be compromising professional ethics and there is no good reason other than it pisses off the right. Actually, that's not a good reason. 馃槑
@Burnley123 lol, thats where the far right Christians you speak of originated. The ones that were prodistent against the papal where Eastern European, bc they actually read the scripture first hand, not preached to by a pompous puppet like your self that knows nothing of the scripture.
Burnley12341-45, M
@checkoutanytime I know what the Christian hard right believes politically.
tindrummerM
@Burnley123 and it ain't pretty 馃槨
redredredM
Public education is simply regime propaganda.
Burnley12341-45, M
@redredred How indoctrinated does someone have to be to heart such a ridiculous opinion?
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SW-User
@redredred I am a teacher as well鈥 must have missed those PD classes.

You might need more proof if I say so .

What country are you from?
So, you're saying public education is better than private? I don't think so. It's probably quite the opposite anyway.
@MsSwan Thank you. You are correct.
GloomyF
@LamontCranston Not at all and when arguing ideology there is no distinctive right and wrong but when you misconstruct arguments and basically indicate european countries are authoritarian you are obviously wrong
GloomyF
@MsSwan I don't troll I mean alright sometimes but currently? No
Burnley12341-45, M
As a separate point, I also agree with you on private education.

Of course, private schools produce great results, they are funded to do just that and pass on hereditary class advantage. There is not an easy answer to solve this problem but in the UK, they have tac reductions because they count as charities. This is ridiculous.
Nothing worse then being forced to believe fabricated garbage that only benefits the top tier war mongers. #Satan
SatanBurger36-40, F
About private education, I do agree about religious institutions as there's several issues that happen due to the closed off nature of such schools but public education has always sucked.

I went to a free government college and I don't regret it but at the same time, my teacher got her degree as a certificate online for six months and then thought she could teach lol. Some of the teachers are the same way and we don't learn how humans naturally learn in their natural environments so I hate all school for that reason. A lot of what we do is counter intuitive and then we blame the kids for not learning when it's our fault.

I've always been a fan of the Norway model of learning.
SW-User
@SatanBurger if you don鈥檛 mind the question about your college鈥鈥檝e never heard of type of school, what part of the globe are you from?
SatanBurger36-40, F
@SW-User United States, job corps for people aged 16 to 24ish.
SW-User
@SatanBurger ahhh, ok..I forgot about that program.
GloomyF
Oulawing private education would do away with religious indoctrination and a two class education system. So yeah only a well funded public education made accessible to everyone.
JosiahForSure26-30, M
@Gloomy 馃憤
I鈥檓 pro public education too, because I think everyone should have access to a formal education, regardless of their economic status. But having said that, it鈥檚 a reality that many public schools are allowed to deteriorate because they鈥檙e perceived as having less value and status than private ones.

It鈥檚 a vicious circle; less status, less money, so fewer resources. The parents who can afford to send their children to schools with better resources and facilities do. And, alas you can鈥檛 blame [b]them[/b] for that. Like in many situations, it鈥檚 about funding. 馃槧
Burnley12341-45, M
@Tonyjf50 Obviously private schools are better funded but not everyone can afford that. In spite of this, many people do well in the public system.
Tonyjf5031-35, M
@Burnley123 So you don't settle for less. You bring the public school up to the same standard. Base pay raises on teacher performance, give pay incentives to teachers who's classes exceed what is normally accepted for a school. Hold teachers who's classes don't reach the accepted standard accountable.
Burnley12341-45, M
@Tonyjf50 Why would I disagree with any of that? Read my long post on here, if you want to know my views
Tonyjf5031-35, M
Well I'm a victim of the New York City School System. When I say a victim, I mean they did not prepare me for college. If I wanted to go to a city college , or new york state college there would have been no problem. But since I applied to private schools and attended one I was forced to take remedial calsses in English, and Math, in order to be brought up to grade level and get accepted. Even though I graduated in the top of my class in High School, I was below grade level for my Freshman year.
Others that I had met, who came from private schools, or Catholic Schools came right out of High School and started there Freshman year with no remedial classes. What dies that tell you ?
JosiahForSure26-30, M
@Tonyjf50 Not every system is perfect.
Tonyjf5031-35, M
@JosiahForSure well definitely new york city is not a good place to come from. College was a struggle for me to catch up , and maintain. It took a lot of extra hours of study and preparation for me , while my classmates were out having a good time . I graduated but struggled
SunshineGirl36-40, F
I agree completely. All children are entitled to a decent education, independent of their parents' beliefs and prejudices. Universal state education is the only way of ensuring a level playing field and decent schooling for all.
JosiahForSure26-30, M
@SunshineGirl My lady. 馃榿
Tetsuya51-55, M
we tried private Catholic school, and then a good local public school; neither of them worked out, we switched to homeschooling 4 years ago and never looked back
JosiahForSure26-30, M
@Tetsuya Your kids are probably pussies. They need to be beaten up in public school and get a dose of reality.
GloomyF
@Tetsuya Frightening this need to control your kids access to information and social life
Tetsuya51-55, M
you and josiah's tag team trolling is amusing
ChampagneOnIce51-55, F
[quote]Our society needs a large population of well rounded and truly intelligent kids to take over one day. [/quote]
I agree with that, but I'm not against private schools. I preferred the private schools I attended than the public schools. However, my friends and step-siblings who went to public school did just fine overall.

I think good education is key and should be available to all.
hippyjoe195561-69, M
You sound like a hate filled bigot
JosiahForSure26-30, M
hippyjoe195561-69, M
@JosiahForSure yup. You are a clueless bigot. How clueless? You deny your own bigotry.
Anyone interested in this topic should read this enlightening piece from American Enterprise Institute:

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/oklahoma-has-approved-the-nations-first-religious-charter-school-whats-that-mean/?mkt_tok=NDc1LVBCUS05NzEAAAGMOWymcIKHLCc1oZ7iCo_LlQ8rG69CooTN7fFd_x0TXhmwTG3wcPfIgSUJLeogwp3ZWWl0S-WDi0r2NGOry6WCiVPGR4V4Yp5JvK4q6BqP2ydYyFY
[@MSwan] {@Gloomy]
Tonyjf5031-35, M
@LamontCranston take it from a victim of the New York City Public School system. They did me no favors. When I got into college I had to take remedial classes to bring me up to college kevel.
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LordShadowfire46-50, M
I would love it, but there would be a riot from the fascist crowd.
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