Forced Public Education?

@MsSwan It is here in Minnesota.

@MsSwan I feel like there should at least be regulation on private education, so that kids don't end up indoctrinated with a bunch of religious bullshit. Parents can teach their kids the religious bullshit at home.

@JosiahForSure 🤐

@LordShadowfire What about the private schools that don't teach religion.

@MsSwan I guess we would just have to take it on a case-by-case basis. But let me ask you a question in response. Do you really feel like the capitalistic system that has brought us disposable televisions is the best way to educate our children? Private education creates a classist system in which some people get better education than others based on how much money mommy and daddy make.

@LordShadowfire I wish my parents could've afforded to send me to private school. Public schools are full of animals, lol.

@MsSwan We have a zero tolerance for bullying at the school I worked at, and throughout my district.

@JosiahForSure Good for you, but that's not gonna work in da hood.

@MsSwan easy... change the material conditions, change the people

If there is bad and underfunded education and an overall bad socioeconomic situation and people being stigmatized in "da hood" this won't improve

@LordShadowfire [quote] Parents can teach their kids the religious bullshit at home. [/quote]
Picture the scene.
"Alright kids, time to learn about religious bullsh*t!" :D
"Awww but dad, our favorite Mercyful Fate song called "Satan's fall" is on TV!"
You can sell your souls later, right now we need to learn about salvation.

@MsSwan I do not know but I have heard that private schools are no better. Keep in mind that Little Johnny's mom also wants to send him to private school because even though he is a cheating, bullying, rotten little prick, his mom also thinks he is too good for public.

@JosiahForSure How would they enforce no bullying? I mean jesus on a pogo stick, with the amount of bullying and all the "he said she said" it would be as practical as trying to enforce speed limits. I mean they might stop like 1% of offenders but for real.

@Gloomy You are really all-in on TOPdownsolutions from elitist bureaucrats. Let Randi Weingarten be Czarina.
Parents should be the ones who decide where/how their children are educated as long as minimum standards of competence are required.

@LamontCranston Education should be guided by proffessional educators, free from personal baises or religious indoctrination.
Parents should not have 100% control over their kids and when it comes to private schools it still is an issue of inequality when it comes to the socioeconomic background of a family.

@Gloomy Sure, religious "indoctrination" should be replaced by woke indoctrination and rampant secularism. Sure thing. Enlightened states are giving money to the parents and letting them select the schools.

Adam Smith on bureaucrats:
"The man of system, on the contrary, is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamoured with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government, that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it. He goes on to establish it completely and in all its parts, without any regard either to the great interests, or to the strong prejudices which may oppose it.

He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chess-board. He does not consider that the pieces upon the chess-board have no other principle of motion besides that which the hand impresses upon them; but that, in the great chess-board of human society, every single piece has a principle of motion of its own, altogether different from that which the legislature might chuse to impress upon it. If those two principles coincide and act in the same direction, the game of human society will go on easily and harmoniously, and is very likely to be happy and successful. If they are opposite or different, the game will go on miserably, and the society must be at all times in the highest degree of disorder.”

@LamontCranston Yes secularism is the way to go since there are so mamy religions and either all should be taught exclusively in one subject or they should stay out of education. Creationism should for example not be allowed to be taught as truth in a science class.

"Woke" 😮‍💨 Be more creative you right wingers don't even seem to know what it means and most people don't use the term cause due to the ridiculous usage it is now devoid of meaning due to its plurality of meaning. Everyone who uses it seems to mean something else.

Wow you can cite Adam Smith great that' obviously the best argument I'll yield in front of your genius and originality.

I'll counter this by simply stating that Adam Smith did not treat education as a commodity and in a privatised system, which breeds inequality and is toxic for society, education and knowledge becomes exactly that, a commodity.

@LamontCranston Neither the UFTor the NEA don’t establish state standards . I know, because I belong to both organizations. They don’t write curriculum. Those things are functions of state departments of Ed…and local districts.

Look at your school board. Teachers are told what to teach. There is no conspiracy.

Parents should parent..

@Gloomy Easy to say, hard to do.

[quote]easy... change the material conditions, change the people

If there is bad and underfunded education and an overall bad socioeconomic situation and people being stigmatized in "da hood" this won't improve[/quote]

@MsSwan That is probably due to public education being under funded.

@Gloomy I have no hope of edcating you. Your Adam Smith snark was quite meaningless. He aptly pointed out a quarter of a millenium ago how men of system (bureaucrats and policy wonks) are fll of crap and untrustworthy.
I responded to your left wing nonsense only because other people sometimes read posts and comments and they shouldn't have to be limited to you and your heroine Randi and your hero Marx.

@chrisCA It is NOT underfunded. It poorly allocates funds.

@chrisCA Try toooo much money being paid to administration and not to the teaching staff plus their a lot of public school teachers protected by the union.
Private school teachers have to teach or get out and become a public school teacher'

@LamontCranston [quote]He aptly pointed out a quarter of a millenium ago how men of system (bureaucrats and policy wonks) are fll of crap and untrustworthy.[/quote]

😂 "Government = bad" that’s all you libertarian types have got it's pathetic. Your paranoid narrative that public education and the curricula are being solely created by bureaucrats and not proffessionals in the education sector is hilarious.

The Nordic countries for example have an excellent education system.

@Gloomy why do you keep posting your ugly snarling face emoji?

@Gloomy …even better, they would gladly jump at the chance to get a good government job..

@Gloomy Yotake issue ur ID is indeed accurate, "Gloomy". And only the most regimented society led by so-called experts is your utopian dream.
Your leaps of judgmental characterizations of those who take issue as "libertarian" and "paranoid" show you as a running dog of Stalinist, Maoist, Xendiist tyranny.

@LamontCranston You reveal yourself by accusing someone who is simply defending systems like in the Nordic Countries that offer very few private education facillities due to excellent well funded public education accessible to everyone as "authoritarian" while also having very little understanding of marxism therefore throwing some dictators into the mix.

Libertarians are hypocrits because they appreciate all the good a distributing construct like the government does (for example infrastructure, jobs, etc...) while at the same time complaining about it.
I myself am critical of any bourgeois capitalsit government yet I am aware of the problems that arise with too little government regulations.
You also always take out the democratic factor that would constitute the government probably because democracy in the US is not a functioning real thing.