Are American college campuses hotbeds of anti-semitism coming from the progressive left?
That’s what the so-called “liberal mainstream media” keeps saying, and I don’t see anyone speaking up to contradict or rebut them.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I'm not American but I live in a university city I'm England and I believe that the dynamics are similar.
Is there anti-Semitism in society? Yes. Is there some on the left? Also yes. No group is immune to racism, not even anti racists.
The vast bulk of this though is conflation between criticism if Israel with anti-semetism. Younger people haven't become more racist or anti-jew, but they have moved further to the left. I've seen plenty of young Americans (including American Jews( taking staunchly pro-Palestine positions on tiktok. Young people I know hate my governments complicity in supporting Israel's actions in Gaza.
It's like how the Irish parliament has benn called anti-semetic by defenders of Israel. There are zero reasons why that country would hate Jews more that other European countries. There are a huge amount of reasons why people from that country would be staunchly against settler colonialism and violent imperialism.
Is there anti-Semitism in society? Yes. Is there some on the left? Also yes. No group is immune to racism, not even anti racists.
The vast bulk of this though is conflation between criticism if Israel with anti-semetism. Younger people haven't become more racist or anti-jew, but they have moved further to the left. I've seen plenty of young Americans (including American Jews( taking staunchly pro-Palestine positions on tiktok. Young people I know hate my governments complicity in supporting Israel's actions in Gaza.
It's like how the Irish parliament has benn called anti-semetic by defenders of Israel. There are zero reasons why that country would hate Jews more that other European countries. There are a huge amount of reasons why people from that country would be staunchly against settler colonialism and violent imperialism.
BohemianBoo · M
Plenty of people are rebutting them, but obviously they don't have a platform nearly as big as mainstream media.
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LordShadowfire · M
@BohemianBoo Are they to blame for the rocket attacks of the last 20 years? Or Hamas choosing to hole up in a hospital after murdering peace loving farmers?
BohemianBoo · M
@LordShadowfire Yes, I already explained this. By keeping the Palestinian population poor and hopeless, they're creating a situation that far-right extremist groups thrive in. When people become hopeless, they turn to reactionary politics and violence.
LordShadowfire · M
There it is, folks. Israel is 100% responsible for the war according to @BohemianBoo.
Some progressive people have been fooled by Islamic fundamentalist terrorists They pose as victims of oppression. In fact, Islamic fanatics want to establish a 7th century caliphate, an authoritarian theocracy. Women, gays, religious non-conformists and others are subject to brutal repression in all Islamic countries. Islamic fundamentalists are themselves oppressors.
Ynotisay · M
Israel isn't Judaism. So what some will define as antisemitism, or supporting a terrorist organization, is really opposition to a far right wing government killing innocent people. And it's something that's been building up for years.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Ynotisay But when people chant “from the river to the sea,” that refers to an Arab state with no Jews in it. How is that not antisemitic?
BohemianBoo · M
@LeopoldBloom That's not what it refers to. Maybe some people who chant that also want a genocide, but that's not what the phrase means.
Ynotisay · M
@LeopoldBloom It was mentioned but that's not what the phrase means. It's literally geographical and started way before Hamas. What it really means is mutual liberation and equality. Along the lines of a two state solution. Some Jews have weaponized the phrase to mean the annihilation of Israel. Because of course they did.
meJess · F
It appears that reactions are personal towards Jewish people, and their religion rather than towards the Israeli State. Abuse of Jewish people living abroad in particular.
Are we responsible for the actions of our government? Mine seems to do whatever it wants regardless of the wishes of the majority of the population.
Are we responsible for the actions of our government? Mine seems to do whatever it wants regardless of the wishes of the majority of the population.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
Lots of people know better, in fact almost all of us.
That's the point of this story. Humanity takes what Americans and Israel Will give.
This genocide is their project, and we are all powerless to stop it. They employ us globally to get this done.
That's the point of this story. Humanity takes what Americans and Israel Will give.
This genocide is their project, and we are all powerless to stop it. They employ us globally to get this done.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
Left wing profs
JovialMoose · 46-50, M
No.
GlitterEater · 36-40, F
No.
LordShadowfire · M
Ynotisay · M
@LordShadowfire If you could that would cool. Because the only people I'm aware of calling for the dissolution of Israel are fanatical terrorists.
LordShadowfire · M
@Ynotisay I stand corrected. It wasn't that user, and to them, I apologize. It was the Bohemian user with the alien avatar. Argued all day the other day that Israel was an ethno state founded for the purpose of Jewish supremacy, and so therefore, they are responsible for the whole war, even if Hamas is doing bad things.
Ynotisay · M
Renaci · 36-40
The only thing I have seen that could confuse a simple minded person is the left is for the Palestinian people and against the Israeli government but not the Jews.
That is not antisemitism. The criticism of a government is not the call for ethnically cleansing an entire culture. A government is not a people.
Nor is being pro Palestinian being pro Hamas. But yeah there are def right wing neo-nazis trying to co-opt the entire situation and sow confusion and chaos. So no this is not a hate movement by the left. It is a hate movement by the right just like it was in WWII.
That is not antisemitism. The criticism of a government is not the call for ethnically cleansing an entire culture. A government is not a people.
Nor is being pro Palestinian being pro Hamas. But yeah there are def right wing neo-nazis trying to co-opt the entire situation and sow confusion and chaos. So no this is not a hate movement by the left. It is a hate movement by the right just like it was in WWII.
LordShadowfire · M
@Ynotisay So, here's the most neutral article I could find on the subject:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
Even that suggests there's a lot of controversy around the slogan. Here's a somewhat less neutral article:
https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/From-the-River-to-the-Sea
And just so nobody can say that I'm overlooking anything, here's an argument from the other side as to why it's not anti-Semitic:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/2/from-the-river-to-the-sea-what-does-the-palestinian-slogan-really-mean
For the fun of it, here's a post from the Washington Post on the subject:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/14/river-sea-free-palestine-meaning/
And just so everybody knows, here's how I found all that:
https://www.google.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
Even that suggests there's a lot of controversy around the slogan. Here's a somewhat less neutral article:
https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/From-the-River-to-the-Sea
And just so nobody can say that I'm overlooking anything, here's an argument from the other side as to why it's not anti-Semitic:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/2/from-the-river-to-the-sea-what-does-the-palestinian-slogan-really-mean
For the fun of it, here's a post from the Washington Post on the subject:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/14/river-sea-free-palestine-meaning/
And just so everybody knows, here's how I found all that:
https://www.google.com
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