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Political Correctness Gone Mad

Oh dear on the bbc news they are apparently changing wording in kids books in case someone takes offence or creates bullying they are really getting silly now . Apparently wierd is one of those words being removed . Others are fat , ugly and crazy in case it upsets someone . Not ladylike is now replaced with undignified , formidable female is now formidable woman . Mother and father is now parents and cloud men are now cloud people , it goes on utter crazyness its political correctness gone mad . What sort of world are we leaving our kids , oh my god .
The world has gone completely crazy. I'm wanting to leave it soon.
I have no business being here.
@Rhode57 🫂 🫂 🫂 🫂
@PhoenixPhail out of my way, I'm first off this crazy rock.
@robingoodfellow People are beating you to it right now.
Convivial · 26-30, F
They need a rewrite on the Bible next... Get rid of all the bs
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Convivial Rest assured that the only parts going to disappear in the future rewritings are passages such as "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of A needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God"
CestManan · 46-50, F
@Elessar are they going to keep all the parts where it talks about how everyone is going to crispify in Hell
Elessar · 26-30, M
@CestManan Yep, and they'll add new ones. Someone definitely gotta have to put the word "woke" in there
Fat ugly = bad.

What’s that. Little jimmy likes the Color pink?
Quick schedule ‘the surgery’ and discuss all matters of sex with him …
Misanthropic · 26-30, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout JIMMY?! You mean Jenny.
Mikeawesome1986 · 36-40, M
I can't wait to read "The not so attractive duckling" one day. 😂
SW-User
@Mikeawesome1986 I think it will simply be changed to "The Cygnet" and ruin the ending :P
Some of this is stupid, but some I actually agree with. Like yeah, terms like "cloud people" do make more sense. And "unladylike" can be sexist when used unironically. And "parents" does make more sense because if we're talking about parents in general, some people have same-gender parents.

But I will continue calling people fat, ugly, and crazy.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
I'm not convinced that it is political correctness so much as a hyper-vigilant board of trustees that has recently sold exclusive film rights to Netflix 😏

I disagree with censoring anything that is not actually illegal. Smooths over the historical context and makes life a little less interesting.

Kids see through it anyway. When I substituted 'pram' for 'perambulator' in Beatrix Potter's The Tale of Two Bad Mice (because I thought it was beyond the comprehension of a three year old) I had one very indignant little niece who pointed out exactly where I had gone wrong! 😅
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl Good for your niece! :-)
Entwistle · 56-60, M
Dahl was a strange man. A bit creepy in my opinion.
I never heard the creepy stuff about him when I was a kid.
If what people are saying is true then his books should maybe be banned.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@ArishMell You are welcome to Google it. However many people are convinced he was a paedophile. A lot of his writings use euphemisms to describe sexual body parts.
In the kids book 'Charlie and the chocolate factory' he talks about 'Snozzberries' in previous writings he refers to the tip of the penis as the 'Snozzberry'.
Like I said ..it's easy enough to Google.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Entwistle I tried googling and the only "creepy" stuff about him seems to be some comments not made until long after his death and which he wasn't around to refute.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@ChipmunkErnie So Google did help you? Cool.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Roald Dahl's estate and publisher are re-writing his books so they won't traumatize the weak, whimpy kids of the snowflake world: no longer can a kid be "fat", no longer can a mean person be "horsey-faced", etc., etc.
graphite · 61-69, M
@ChipmunkErnie That's right - let these kids read the original material and it's PTSD for life!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ChipmunkErnie Is the latter to avoid upsetting mean people or horses...?

Sorry - "persons of mean-ness".
val70 · 51-55
Just to know: is PC the same as wokeness?
val70 · 51-55
@ArishMell Have you got another description for the decisions of censoring works of Roal Dahl, Fawlty Towers, etc? Those aren't American and get the same sort of treament now. Taken from their original context they are judged lacking by some idiots and then hacked to pieces. Do I actually need to be confronted with Dahl's antisemitism? What use does that serve? Edith Blyton was even a worse human but the girl she created that wanted to be called George is still read with great joy. Isn't that mishandling of art and history not worth a proper name? PC isn't about the past and correcting that. Somehow there's a need nowadays to change established cultural icons just for the sake of not offending someone else's feelings. That's much more about selling and marketing than the proper concern of the people focused on. I've heard that the defence against the use of the word woke is all about either race or gender, but aren't we forgetting that words are just labels?
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@val70 I can't think of a better word than "censoring"!

All I know it's what was reported, which is that the copyright owners and publishers altered the stories to avoid possibly causing offence; but it seems now that Penguin Books will be issuing original-text "archive" editions.

Even worse, I understand some UK authors are among many to be kept out of some states' school libraries and courses until passed as suitable by .... well by whom exactly?

There does seem a fashion in some circles to deride figures of the past no matter how great their achievements, for having opinions that are seen as wrong now but were commonplace at the time; and this leads to a total distortion of both creator and created.

Not just children's authors either, as we see with people trying to link Richard Wagner with the Nazis, simply because he was anti-Semitic and held political-revolutionary views. Not pleasant attitudes, no, of course they were not; but we should be able to accept his views were widespread in his 19C time, and concentrate on enjoying his music.

Similarly, the English scientist Dr. Marie Stopes is sometimes attacked for supporting "eugenics". She did do that, as did very many academics of the late-19 - early-20C. Whilst later events showed how that social philosophy, which was never a science, would be used evilly; its early proponents genuinely thought it a positive idea. What though concentrating on Dr. Stopes' views there does from our own time 100 years later, is deflect attention from her extremely positive life as both a palaeontologist with a special interest in the Coal Measures botany; and her tireless campaigning for women's health.

It's as if past do-ers must be rejected as bad, for having ideas of their time we now see as bad, and I am not sure how much of that is really just jealousy in critics who have yet to "do" anything notable themselves. It wants yesterday's heroes to be super-human, but they were not, they were human and made mistakes, were flawed; yet also did good work. Are their modern-day critics super-human?


For commercial reasons? You might be right, and I think for negative rather than positive reasons: fearing lost sales if a few readers become too noisy about supposed slights to this-or-that "community". Though no-one (i hope) wants gratuitous offence-giving even by accident, the fear forgets we are all of one "community".


"Labels" indeed, but it is odd that an era marked by a desire for overwhelming "equality" and "inclusivity" in our manifold differences, has created a desire to label everyone as if we are all standard items in some sort of rigid database menu. Database menus of course, have the characteristic of inflexibility, so if something does not match the menu, it creates problems. All very impersonal, even dehumanising.


Ending yesterday was an interesting 5-part series, just over an hour altogether, on BBC Radio Four, on the history of the word 'woke'; from its original meaning and intention to its often unpleasant, very different version now. It started in the 1930s as African-American slang meaning stay [a]woken - to injustice - but in the last couple of years became a poisonous term of political abuse.
val70 · 51-55
@ArishMell Somehow I don't think that censoring is good enough. It's like talking about American history and not Trump. It's getting us no where that. Another one, still very current, is the argument that nazism hasn't got anything to do with socialism. Fine, but what the heck is it in the actually chosen name for themselves then? Denying fact that terminology can change from one side to the other of argument is madness. I'm sorry, but I consider it still as madness when one points to a term to describe something has been too loaded because of its past. What else next? Oh yes, I got it. Don't talk about socialism because it's only for fascists and communists. One can't have it two ways. It's in there by the use at the time plus the history of socialism is indeed a bit more complex than black and white. Excuse the pun there. No, we have it currently at the wrong side of the stick when it's actually provided to us as fact. The BBC is entirely woke, and that's the viewpoint of not only both extremes but ordinary viewers like myself in the past too. Look for a debate on Question Time about Brexit in the recent eight years and the views of study groups are presented as being part of the argument going on in society like the opinion inside a political party would be. The perfect example of madness there was the total blanketing of the problem of the Northen Ireland there. No better example of this madness from above, and I'm afraid that the present meaning of the term will continue just because of all that
Entwistle · 56-60, M
I feel stuff like this is used as a distraction,something silly to get annoyed about. Meanwhile real problems are going on unchecked.
People are starving,wars going on,cost of living catastrophic etc...
What happens is the woke brigade is trying to normalize insanity in order to push their political agenda.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Underconstruction ... or simply their egos.
@ArishMell Right.
helenS · 36-40, F
Spiderman will be renamed "Spiderperson" soon 🤭
... and Supergirl? We need a new name for her too!
helenS · 36-40, F
@SW-User ... whereas the Sun is female and the Moon is male, in German! Makes no sense, but - hey, it's language! In French, the Sun is male (le soleil) and the Moon is female (la lune).
SW-User
@helenS bestimmt
helenS · 36-40, F
@Flipper111 Yes superlatives are double plus ungood.
CassandraSissy · 26-30, T
I saw this too, sweetie. They were talking about Roald Dahl......they should never change them! I love reading them myself (still do!) and the language portrays the time they were written......

..as it should...

What next? Change Shakespeare 'cos we don't use 'thou' anymore?

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!


Errhhhhh....did I say it was Wrong ?!?!

😘
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
Keep it going. In another few years I'd be able to take over the world just by being the only person who still swears like a sailor.. One 'C#nt' from me and everybody will be laying in the fetal position traumatised.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Thevy29 LOL!

If you really want to upset 'em futher, tell 'em you never believed the purple one of the Teletubbies (him with the handbag - was it Tinkywinky?) was any sort of "icon" for any sort of sexuality.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@ArishMell Isn't TinkyWinky the host every night on Fox's Clucker Carlscum tonight? 🤪
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@spjennifer LOL! I haven't a clue! All I know about Fox is that some other SW users attack its political views!

I know the Teletubbies only as the show was. (My girlfriend liked it..... I don't know why. ).

It was made for very young children and was all very innocent and harmless, but some homosexual or other with nothing better to do, started waffling publicly about imagining the character as some sort of "gay icon".

It was sold to many countries around the world, but as well as that "gay icon" idiocy, it did attract two very weird attacks -

One was some pseud-in-a-suit "executive" (over-promoted filing-clerk) in German's public-service TV company thinking they looked like spacemen and would frighten the intended audience.

The other was a similar bureaucrat in a major US entertainments company (Warner I think) declaring the Teletubbies show "evil" for being always happy and cheerful.

Not sure which was the most stupid of those three nonentities! One might wonder if they never been aged under five, had never thought to ask young children for their opinions, nor, probably, ever created anything themselves.
CestManan · 46-50, F
Also they do not need someone to man The post, they need someone instead to person the post.

But you know there are passive aggressive ways of getting around political correctness. Like instead of saying someone is fat, you could say they are an obesity sufferer
ArishMell · 70-79, M
You'd probably heard further reporting on the people who now own the Ronald Dahl titles "up-dating" (their word) the stories. Arousing a lot of opposition in the process, for the reasons you say.
minxy · 46-50, F
You have to have a combination, good and bad.
it can't all be nice and friendly and inclusive.
We're going to kill ourselves off before the earth has a chance to fall apart.
graphite · 61-69, M
The Willy Wonka books are being changed to take out the "offensive" parts.. Bunch of nonsense. Snowflakes so easily offended.
Spotpot · 41-45, M
There have alwayes been political correctness one way ot the other.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Spotpot Good point.

There has, but the term "political correctness" is recent, and may reflect the impression given on much of SW that its native country (USA) turns any social sensitivity into party-politics "discussed" with more abuse than analysis.

In the past, when domestic cruelty, racism and other unpleasant "isms" and "phobias" were widespread but not really recognised except by the victims, the censoring was more often of anything sexual, even of what we'd now regard as simply saucy.

For example, the 19C English physician Thomas Bowdler published The Family Shakespeare, with the plays edited by his sister Henrietta to be more suitable (in their view at least) for women and children of their time.

Such prissy over-editing soon became called "Bowdlerising", and what we see now with Roald Dahls' books is much the same although for different social mores.
RedBaron · M
I assure you, WIERD was never there to be removed. If you mean WEIRD, then say that.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
There really is nothing wrong with trying to be nice to others.
SW-User
Yup those are the Roald Dahl books. I mean, he was no angel, but...
specman · 51-55, M
Yeah it’s all of the liberals
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
Guess Al Yankovic is going to be affected by this.
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@Misanthropic Also, the dumb and the weak strike back.
Misanthropic · 26-30, M
@PhoenixPhail Yeah, when you give them the wrong pronouns
Misanthropic · 26-30, M
@PhoenixPhail The dumb and weak are quite happy throwing soup at paintings or sitting in roads but where will they be on the battlefield when tanks come rolling in?

 
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