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I wonder how many anitvaxxers

Are antivaxxers because they have a strong hatred or fear of the actual shot.

I honestly believe this is the major reason people have been against vaccines due to childhood trauma of receiving shots as a child.

No one likes getting a shot but the pain is temporary compared to what you are being vacci ated against.

This post inspired by a commercial for a nasal flu vaccine that works like a nasal spray.
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JoyfulSilence · 51-55, M
I have diabetes, which they only discovered after I went to the hospital for something else. It had likely been with me a few years.

While there I got several insulin injections per day. One long lasting and sometimes two short term. Then when I went home I had to inject myself once a day with insulin. Then we switched to semaglutide, which is only one injection per week.

I have gotten quite good at limiting pain and bleeding. The key is to pick a blob of love handle fat, use a slow and steady, yet committed poke. A steady push of the pen-button. A few seconds wait with minimal jittering, then I grab the pen firmly at the base and slowly withdraw it to prevent shifting and side slices. I hardly ever get blood anymore or pain. I am efficient and it is muscle memory.

Unlike nurses who just plunge right in and press. Ouch!

Now, vaccines can cause swelling, of course.

I got a flu shot this year and then then a few hours later got a fever and then threw up off and on for 36 hours. Even water. I do not know why but I wonder if it was my body reacting to the vaccine.

I guess it is better than the flu. Yet I do not know if I have ever had the flu.
2ndtimeguy · 61-69, M
I got shots back in 2020 when I had Covid saw too many people sick and even die but not since then. My doctor said the Flu shot is more important than Covid shot
@2ndtimeguy Approximately 28,000 Americans died from the flu in the 2023-2024 flu season.

In that same period, COVID was a factor in appropriately 45,000 American deaths.

During the pandemic, COVID was the 4th highest cause of American deaths. It has since dropped down out of the top 10 nationwide although it still ranks in the top 15.

The data is not in for the current year as we are still in the midst of the flu season, but indications are that deaths from COVID are continuing to decline.
WormMan · 56-60, M
I was always scared of needles as kid, but hasn't stopped me from getting vaccinated as an adult, I grew out of it, actually don't even mind having blood drawn now.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
Well the shot doesn't actually hurt. I'm not anti vax and have a rudimentary understanding how they work. I am anti mandat. I'm smart enough to make good decisions on my own, other people are too.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
They mostly give flu vaccine for kids via nasal spray now in England. The issue with methods like that is getting a consistent air/vaccine mix that can be evenly absorbed through the lungs. It's simply not possible for many vaccines due to the target receptor and how it might be inadvertently picked up by another one on the way.
gol979 · 46-50, M
I doubt it tbh. I am what you would call an "anti-vaxxer" (mis-nomer because im not or even want to stop anyone from injecting themselves with whatever they want).

The vast majority of people who dont want injections will have read the material supporting injections from big pharma and drs on the payroll but also read content that is counter narrative to the orthodoxy of big pharma.

And then came along the covid narrative that was so full of holes, contradictions and flat out lies its pushed a whole lot more people to start questioning the injection industry.
gol979 · 46-50, M
@FoxyGoddess he is the inventor of the PCR test that was used to gather covid "cases" data despite kary mullis specifically stating it is not to be used for diagnosis because "it can detect anything" based on how many times the cycle was amplified. At 45 amplification the false positives for covid was 97%, basically fraudulent. (As you part answered that part).

And of course you dont want to engage with basic information such as ifr ℅ (0.007%), average age of death (81+) or that astrazenicas injection was pulled for inducing blood clots because it exposes that we were lied to on an epic scale.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@gol979 PCR was developed by Mullis in 1993. DNA research has advanced way beyond that. While Mullis may have said that the PCR was not to be used to diagnose only applies to his methodology. Science often takes methodology of others and uses it to modify it to see what other potentials it has. It may mean the PCR process Mullis created is not the same one they used. It may be more defined with other factors that allow them to determine what Mullis could not.

That is the joy of science. It isn't as strict as people want it to be. It is discovered, then perfected and made useful in other areas. Science is not all black or white. It is forever evolving and changing to work with new things learned and discovered.

Either way, you are just being combative at this point and not wanting to engage in honest discourse. I will no longer entertain you or your wrong think.
gol979 · 46-50, M
@FoxyGoddess "lock him up, he has had too much to think".

Fair enough, we are never going to agree and thats why we should always err on the side of principle and advocate "my body, my choice"
RosaMarie · 46-50, F
Most are preventing children from getting it. So if you're right, it's a displaced fear.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@RosaMarie I mean, i get it. It hurts to have your baby get a shot. You feel badly because they don't understand even though it's in their best interest. For some, that hurt is easier to deal with if you just don't go through with it. But the loss of your child due to a serious illness is even worse,especially kniwing you had every ability to prevent them from getting it.

Sometimes, the idea that the side effects are worse than the disease itself is wild. I don't know how they can make that compromise.
RosaMarie · 46-50, F
No need to convince me. I'm up to date.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@RosaMarie me too and happier for it with the way everyone has suddenly come down with the sniffles and coughing. Glad I'm not in that group.
G7J2O · M
I'm all for vaccines, but I see no point in the flu vaccine. If I get the flu, so be it.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@G7J2O it still kills a fair number of people.

England, influenza-attributable excess mortality was estimated at 7,757 deaths, which was higher than in the 2023 to 2024 season (3,555 deaths) but lower than the 2022 to 2023 season (15,867 deaths)

If you have underlying chronic health conditions, young or old it's best to get the vaccine.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@G7J2O if the flu turns into pneumonia, which, given the way most people don't even stay home from work to rest from tends to happen, the flu shot ceases to be optional because any time after it becomes pneumatic, the glu almost always becomes pneumonia, which becomes deadly.

Maybe if you aren't going to take the flu vax, do yourself a favor and stay home when you are sick to make sure you don't develop something worse that is deadly.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@FoxyGoddess more important, staying home prevents a diseased person from endangering others.

Unfortunately, the incubation period means that an irresponsible, unvaccinated, person can spend a week or more infecting others before displaying signs and symptoms.
Achelois · F
I don’t have hatred or fear, I have discernment and know the medical and government are corrupted.

It’s that simple 🤓
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@Achelois tbf, I think the same thing about people who say they know everything about vaccines unless they are immunologists, epidemiologists, virologists, or others who have achieved a doctorate in communicable diseases and viruses.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@FoxyGoddess Yup, like trump and kennedy do?

A couple of muppets 😂
@Achelois

....says the person who thinks a reddit thread has given them secret knowledge 😏
Quimliqer · 70-79, M
For decades there has been no serious flare ups, we all were vaccinated and are still alive!! Wtf are people going on about?
Wireman · 31-35, M
No, I remember the previous experimental shot, so I read môre about this ons. Unbelievable!
it could be, but I don't even remember the antivax crowd even being a thing until recent decades ... like how did they manage to endure the needle before, when they weren't whining about it?

edit:
ahhhh I see you've met one of the resident antivaxxers / moon landing hoaxers / et al. (why do these things always seem to coalesce in the same individuals? pretty soon we'll have anti-gravity people adding to the mix, always be on the lookout for something to be against and say is a hoax)

 
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