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2 Dose vaccine, or Booster?

Its been a year since my first 2 dose Covid vaccine. Anyone know if booster is needed as Im overdue, or would it just be getting another 2 dose Covid vaccine again since its been a year?
I will also check with my pharmacy, I was curious here too though, if anyone knows.

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Ontheroad · M

A booster, which is the original vaccine is recommended after you get the original vaccine (1 or 2 doses depending upon which vaccine you got). If you are immunocompromised then you for sure need the booster. Right this moment, the booster is the original vaccine, but it appears there will soon be a booster that better deals with the newer variants. Because I was fighting cancer during the 2020-2022 outbreak, I have had a total of 5 doses and the worst reaction I got was a bit of a sore arm for a day.

DO NOT base what you do on what I or anyone else here says. Speak to your doctor. This is science. Only medical science has the best information. Take everything else as hearsay.

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Coralmist · 41-45, F

@Ontheroad I think it just said as of tomorrow its approved, if I just heard the news on tv right. Literally five mins ago. And the rollout of shots begin next week. Good to know there were trials ...I want to know its safe you know? So glad you are healed!!!🦋🤗

ElwoodBlues · M

@Coralmist

I just wonder if there have been trials for this new booster?

There was a smaller human trial for the updated booster.

From a Pfizer press release:

The Omicron adapted vaccine candidates (30 µg and 60 µg) studied in the Phase 2/3 trial in 1,234 participants 56 years of age and older elicited substantially higher neutralizing antibody responses against Omicron BA.1 when compared to the companies’ current COVID-19 vaccine.

Smaller trial because it's quite similar to the original vaccine. The original vaccine's phase 3 trials involved around 45,000 participants for the Pfizer version.

Coralmist · 41-45, F

@ElwoodBlues Thanks Elwood🙂

Lilymoon · F

I got the booster...and I didn't turn into a gargoyle lol

ShadowWolf · 31-35, M

I wouldn't do it, because your immune system will become dependent on that. It's a personal choice you will have to make. You are young and I'd assume healthy. Let your natural immune system do it's thing if you aren't immunocompromised!

The only vaccines that make a lick of sense are the live virus ones, that have a permanent effect. Such as polio vax and measles vax.

Any vaccine that constantly needs a booster, is just screwing with your immune system.

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spjennifer · 61-69, T

@ShadowWolf

You don't think that the bodies immune system is fully capable of adapting?

Another foolish assumption on your part, while in the military for several decades, I was injected with vaccines for pretty much every disease and virus known to Man, and many of those had to be renewed on a regular basis. The body's immune system is an incredible thing but it isn't capable of fighting what it hasn't been trained to fight and this is the reason for the vaccines and boosters. You really should research more before offering an unfounded opinion... 😖

Coralmist · 41-45, F

@spjennifer Ty for your service🌹🇺🇸

OggggO · 36-40, M

@ShadowWolf

You should research vaccine dependency. Diluting the human immune system so much that over time, we will be fully dependent on vaccines to live.

That is complete nonsense that has no basis in reality.

Carissimi · F

You haven’t heard that these vaccines don’t work for Omicron? Even the Omicron doesn’t work on BA5, which is the most predominant variant. Worse, there has been no human clinical trials. What kind of medication does not go through clinical trials? Take it at your peril.

Threepio

Wait until mid-late September.

The new booster (for the new variants) is supposed to be released by then.

I've been boosted several times (I have a suppressed immune system) and unlike many nay-sayers I haven't grown three heads or come down with a terminal disease or had any side effects what-so-ever ...... well, except my ding-a-ling grew three more inches..........

Line forms to the right people..... LOL

losthorizons · 51-55, M

You should be like the rest of the sheep and take one dose a week. You should have 500 doses in you Just ask klaus Schwab. He lives sheep like you.

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@losthorizons Bahhhhh 🐑 😃

Lila15 · 22-25, F

@losthorizons But what does Trump say? He pushed the vaccine's development, then came out against it. So take your pick.

uncalled4 · 56-60, M

You just activated the launch sequence. All kinds of loonies showing up in 3, 2, 1.............................

stratosranger · M

I haven’t bothered. And it’s been almost a year since I was last asymptomatic. Zinc (with 1mg of copper) vitamin D and C with B12 fortified nutritional yeast seems to be keeping me free of it all.

cherokeepatti · 61-69, F

@stratosranger Dandelion extract also has anti-germ effects.

PiecingBabyFaceTogether · 31-35, M

I took 2 and I stopped caring. I have other worries. I'm not scared anymore.

Zonuss · 41-45, M

@PiecingBabyFaceTogether Don't be.

Valerian · 100+, M

Find and Get the Novavax Nuvaxovid™ COVID-19 Vaccine as a BOOSTER for Sure and 2 Doses if you can!
It's Available finally!

It's a Traditional Vaccine, (not mRNA useless crap) and it has a 93% Efficacy vs the 35 - 45% efficacy of thpfizer & Moderna mRNA Vaccines.
Side effects are minimal, kinda like getting a yearly flu vaccine, because it's made like Traditional Flu Vaccines have been for Decades.

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ElwoodBlues · M

@Valerian Thanks for the link and quote. Lemme just re-quote a part of it:

three doses of the COVID-19 NVX-CoV2373 vaccine significantly improved neutralization of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.4/BA.5 and BA.1 subvariants with responses that were comparable to those achieved with three mRNA vaccine doses.

They're saying 3 Novovax doses are comparable to 3 mRNA doses. Fair enough.

The next sentence says 2 Novovax doses have pretty good staying power, yet there is no staying power comparison to the mRNA vaccines.

THUS. Nothing in your quote says Novovax is in any way better than the mRNA vaccines.

AND. If you want an apples to apples comparison, the only one we have is against the original wildtype, where the mRNA vaccines showed 95% efficacy in trials of 30,000 subjects (Moderna) and 45.000 subject (Pfizer). These results are comperable to Novovax.

unless the FDA tries to surpress the Vaccine further.

Novovax uses cells from moths to grow spike proteins. Novovax got a LOT of gov't support, but was delayed due to manufacturing/purity problems:

The U.S. government invested $1.6 billion in Novavax in 2020 — the most it devoted to any vaccine maker at the time — in hopes that it would offer the world another option for a safe and effective vaccine to help protect against Covid-19. But the company has consistently run into production problems. The methods it used to test the purity of the vaccine have fallen short of regulators’ standards and the company has not been able to prove that it can produce a shot that is consistently up to snuff, according to multiple people familiar with Novavax’s difficulties. All spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive company conversations.

Frankly, it's not at all surprising that Novovax and the mRNA vaccines are comparable, because they both result in spike proteins in your blood; they just have different mechanisms for getting those spike proteins there.

Valerian · 100+, M

@ElwoodBlues okay
Whatever you wanna believe...

But why are SO MANY PEOPLE* getting, (what made up term/excuse do they call it?), "Breakthrough Covid" after taking 2, 3 & 4 Doses mRNA Vaccines and 2 Doses Novavax Vaccinated people are NOT getting Covid Even when exposed to it Daily by sick relatives, coworkers or clients?
The EFFICACY of NOVAVAX IS BETTER whereas mRNA Vaccines Efficacy drops into the 30's and 40's after 3-4 months.

BTW: The Government investing in NOVAVAX has NOTHING to do with the Issue of EFFICACY!! It was a very Prudent move because at that point mRNA Vaccines we're NEW and Unproven! Novavax on the other hand is based upon TRADITIONAL Protein Subunit techniques use in Most Vaccine Production for Decades! Moth cells are just an innovative and neat way to do it!

*Dr. Fauci & Pres. Biden & Jill Biden & Bill Gates just to nam the famously reported ones.

ElwoodBlues · M

@Valerian I don't believe anything. I draw provisional conclusions based on current data. I have not seen any stats on breakthrough cases with Novovax; I'd love to see your actual numbers on them. Like I said, the published efficacy numbers for Novovax were based on trials during the original wildtyp & apha & beta variants. There was a long delay from the Novovax trials to CDC authorization because of purity problems, but if you are aware of further phase 3 trials, please link me to them.

BTW: The Government investing in NOVAVAX has NOTHING to do with the Issue of EFFICACY!!

Agreed. I put that in to counter your suggestion

unless the FDA tries to surpress the Vaccine further

It would be odd for the government to invest, then suppress.

ElwoodBlues · M

The CDC just approved an updated booster specifically designed to protect against the omicron variant. My situation is similar to yours, and I will be getting that omicron booster just as soon as my local CVS has some on hand. I advise you to do the same.

Updated COVID-19 boosters add Omicron BA.4 and BA.5 spike protein components to the current vaccine composition, helping to restore protection that has waned since previous vaccination by targeting variants that are more transmissible and immune-evading.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0901-covid-19-booster.html

HootyTheNightOwl

Unless you are in a vulnerable group or caring for someone who is, then two doses should be enough for you.

It's worth considering that, after two doses, your response to the vaccine intensifies, too. My reaction to the third was bad enough that I decided then and there that I'm not having a fourth dose.

My menstrual cycle still isn't the same as it was prior to being vaccinated, either.

soar2newhighs

Who administered the vaccine? A medical doctor? Did he/ she stay in touch, given all the concerns about how many shots and/ or boosters you might or will require?

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soar2newhighs

@Coralmist Ok, done through your doctor by a nurse at the time under his/her( doctor’s) auspices .what has he/ she told you as far as follow up vaccines?

Coralmist · 41-45, F

@soar2newhighs I think she said get booster, but i never asked should I do the 2 part vaccine again, 4 weeks apart? But she never said that, i dont believe, so must be just booster. I may email her to double check🙂

soar2newhighs

@Coralmist If you’re ok w/ the initial vaccines and don’t have reservations about boosters, yes, find out and see what YOUR/The DOCTOR says.

AwakeningConfession221122

From my experience only having the first and only dose. I now suffer from infertility, and Been having some random chest pains. Don’t mean to scare you off but is the booster and going through all that over a flu like virus that has a 99% survival rate?
My sister has had 2 and she has had covid 3 times post jab.

CrazyMusicLover · 31-35

I don't know, seems like those who had booster went through covid more smoothly but so many factors come into play...Depending if someone has a specific health condition, autoimmune disease, allergy, etc...people react differently to it.

Soossie

New research by Harward professors show that the vaccine BCG can be even more effective against infection by the C19 virus and its variations...

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/tb-drug-vs-covid

This vaccine has already been approved for soo many years...

lovelywarpedlemon

after you get your vaccine, first and second dose, you just need your booster. you can get 2 boosters actually, i think they are recommending a 6 mo wait between boosters.

Zonuss · 41-45, M

It doesn't matter.
Neither one works.

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Zonuss · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues Your data is false.
I go by what the medical experts who actually work in the hospitals and nursing homes have given me.
Not the media. Not you either. You are off. Way off. 🙂

ElwoodBlues · M

@Zonuss I go by what medical experts publish in refereed journals, not the media. If my data is false, why can't you point me to true data??

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Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

Hey the novavax and you'll never need anything again. That's what they told me.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@Tastyfrzz she has been vaccinated with previous vaccines. Doesn't matter which one. Yet this is what they say about it...

https://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/covid19/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-now-available-for-individuals-12-and-older/article_243c9bc0-2953-11ed-a728-53191a00cc7a.html

The Novavax vaccine is only offered to people who haven't received any prior COVID-19 vaccine doses and should not be used as a booster vaccine.

This is why she really should consult with her doctor.

ElwoodBlues · M

@DeWayfarer Great info!!! Thanks for that!!

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Tastyfrzz Circulating antibodies wane over time independently from the vaccine you take (by design, or your blood would be as thick as honey, if you had persistent antibodies for any and every pathogen you come across with in your lifetime).

T-cell immunity last time I checked is good with any vaccine, is much more persistent (years supposedly, judging by SARS-1 studies) and is potentially what ultimately protects from severe/fatal disease.

wackidywack · 26-30

I think it will be fine (: hope you get like an orange hehe. Idk they were giving away oranges at my dose

losthorizons · 51-55, M

Neither. It’s all bullshit. Don’t put that crap in your body. The ones that are Vaxxed are the ones getting suck

YukikoAmagi

i only have my first dose lol

AwakeningConfession221122

Same, and I’m injured from it.@YukikoAmagi

losthorizons · 51-55, M

Sick

Azlotto · M

None for me, thanks...I would never take them shots.

SW-User

Would not seem that boosters for the first generation vaccine would be relevant any more if the virus has mutated so much since they were introduced, and the second generation vaccine boosters (specifically for the BA.4 and BA.5 * subvariants of the Omicron variant of the virus ... as well as previous variants) is about to be available any day now

I am actually a bit perturbed about the second generation though, as this time around the FDA is only requiring results from tests on mice, not human clinical trials, in order to certify the vaccines, whether from Moderna or Pfizer .. a Cornell doctor and a Harvard doctor are split on whether this is a good idea, but the thinking is that we now know enough about how viruses work that this is sufficient

The revised FDA testing requirement does not mean that the companies themselves will forgo human clinical trials though, only that these may carry on after the vaccines are already approved

* In contrast, the new vaccine approved for the UK was only designed for the BA.1 Omicron subvariant

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-the-new-covid-19-booster-was-authorized-before-testing-on-people

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/08/18/1117778748/whats-behind-the-fdas-controversial-strategy-for-evaluating-new-covid-boosters

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Lilnonames · F

Not me ill not take it

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Carissimi · F

You really are ignorant about all the adverse affect these vaccines are causing. The UK government has started paying out compensation for the injuries. Why would you get a measles vaccine when you have smallpox? You wouldn’t because it would be ineffective, so why get a vaccine that is ineffective against Omicron. @Coralmist

Lilnonames · F

@Coralmist ive never wore a mask and was never in a lock down.

Coralmist · 41-45, F

@Carissimi My doctor who is wonderful, said you are having a better chance of getting hit by lightning than having anything wrong from the vaccines. I trust she knows the cutting new info and scientists . Its not opinion anymore that they are safe. (1st and 2nd dose) Do ppl have effects after yes, like with many vaccines, just as i had too. But safe, I do believe so. I do need to read up on new booster though.

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Elessar · 26-30, M

@swandfriends Which "permanent damage"?

The only in this context with permanent damage are those suffering from long COVID, which is several folds more common in the unvaxxed than the vaxxed.

More than 3/4 of my entire city is vaxxed and no one I know of had a single problem with it. Not a friend, not a relative, not a colleague, not an acquaintance. No one.

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