2 Dose vaccine, or Booster?

Yes, that is true and makes sense

@ShadowWolf Please don't talk about things you clearly don't understand, especially when it could cause someone's death that could have been prevented.

@ShadowWolf I'm just wondering if you can cite any other case of a vaccine causing a person's immune system to become dependent on it. Personally I've not heard of this before.

@ElwoodBlues You haven't heard of it because it's nonsense.

@ShadowWolf


It's a vaccine, not a narcotic. All the vaccine does is help boost your immune system's natural ability to fight off the virus, same as any other vaccine does, the booster shots help to fight off the newer and mutated versions. Please don't post nonsense that could affect the well being of other people, billions around the world have been injected with very low risk, a lot less risk than not being vaccinated. If you want to risk your life, go right ahead but don't encourage others to risk theirs 😖

@ElwoodBlues The flu vaccine is a prime example. Stop getting it, and you have more adverse effects if your immune system was "tuned" to expect it as a booster. If you get the flu, or have not had the vaccine, your natural immune system can do it's own thing better, and the immune response is better.

@ShadowWolf Do you have data on this? I'd love to see the links and underlying data.

@spjennifer And Maxine Waters, quad boosted, still got it bad. The vaccine is pointless except for the immunocompromised.

@ShadowWolf Nice anecdote. Here's some more data on the efficacy of the vaccines. As I said, they're not perfect but they work pretty well.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.

This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.

Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.

Sources & more data at https://similarworlds.com/disease-illness/vaccines/4268857-Covid-Vaccine-effectiveness-data-from-the-US-2021

@ElwoodBlues People I know. Two of my best friends. One without vax, one with vax. That's enough data for me. But I know many other people in my life, who also contribute to the gathered stats.
It's also common sense, you are creating a dependency for your immune system on an external source of boost.
It's like a car engine. (going to try to make a rough analogy here). It's got a turbo charger for years, then you pull that turbo off. It becomes much weaker. The vaccine is that turbocharger.

@ElwoodBlues Your data is fine. BUT it isn't breaking down boosters vs original dose.

@ShadowWolf It's not enough data to form a meaningful hypothesis, let alone draw a conclusion.

That's not how engines or vaccines work.

@OggggO Don't tell me how engines work man. You pull forced induction off anything, and the engine makes less power. If you believe anything else, you don't understand basic mechanics.

@ShadowWolf Less power than with the booster sure. Less power than before it had it? That makes no sense.

@ShadowWolf


Quite possibly the most ridiculous statement I've read on here, first of all a vaccine isn't a narcotic, therefor no "dependency" can be created, secondly, CV19 is a new virus and our bodies have few "natural" anti-bodies to fight it off and as new variants mutate, boosters are required to help fight off these new variants. Also, your analogy of a "turbocharger" is just as patently ridiculous, a turbo is an additional source of air for the the engine to breathe in and the boost can be turned up or down, that's not how viruses or vaccines work 😖

@OggggO You bring the engine back to baseline if you pull the forced induction off. Sure. A loss of power is a loss of power regardless. It technically has less power than it did prior to pulling the turbo off.

@spjennifer You don't think that the bodies immune system is fully capable of adapting? You should research vaccine dependency. Diluting the human immune system so much that over time, we will be fully dependent on vaccines to live. No thanks.

@ShadowWolf Ebola certainly doesn't think so. It's about 80% fatal. So people developed an Ebola vaccine.

Tetanus doesn't think so. That's why we require a tetanus vaccine for school children.

Many peoples' bodies were capable of adapting to polio. But the small percentage that couldn't adapt ended up in iron lungs etc. Herd immunity to polio is better than a small percentage in iron lungs, don't you think?

Many peoples' bodies were capable of adapting to rubella. But it caused some awful birth defects in some fetuses during pregnancy. Herd immunity to rubella is better than a small percentage of awful birth defects, don't you think?

@ElwoodBlues These vaccines you speak of, they don't require a booster (except for tetanus which is only every 10 years or so). I am specifically referring to vaccines that require a boost annually.
I have no arguments about one and done vaccines. Or vaccines that are like once a decade.
I am by no means anti-vax, do not get that impression of me. But annual boosters, I am agaisnt.

@ShadowWolf WRONG. I'm guessing you're not raising kids.

The MMR vaccine, combining vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella, was released 50 years ago in 1971. By 1980, all US states had adopted requirements for mandatory MMR vaccinations for public school; these days it's a 2-dose regimen.

The Tdap vaccine - a follow-on the early childhood 5-dose DTaP - was released in 2005, and, like MMR, is required in all US states for public school.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccine-mandates-in-schools-arent-new-theyve-been-used-since-1850#A-history-of-vaccine-mandates-in-schools

Two doses for MMR - sure sounds like a booster to me.
Five doses for Tdap DTaP - definitely a booster there.
FYI the polio vaccine requires four doses.

Are you certain the Ebola vaccine doesn't require a booster? You just made some guesses about other vaccines and the guesses were wrong.

@ElwoodBlues And after each regiment, they are done for life. Again, I'm specifically talking about vaccines like the Flu, and COVID19. With annual boosters.

The CDC really only approves of 1 dose of Ebola vax. At least according to their website. Boosters aren't recommended by the CDC.

@ShadowWolf Some viruses keep changing/evolving; other diseases don't. Influenza keeps mutating; seems like Covid does too. It doesn't mean the vaccine is a failure, it means the virus is tricky.

@ElwoodBlues Fine, I will concede. But I'm happy with my single dose. And would rather develop natural immunity in the case of Flu and COVID 19. Just personally.

@ShadowWolf


Another foolish assumption on your part, while in the military for several decades, I was injected with vaccines for pretty much every disease and virus known to Man, and many of those had to be renewed on a regular basis. The body's immune system is an incredible thing but it isn't capable of fighting what it hasn't been trained to fight and this is the reason for the vaccines and boosters. You really should research more before offering an unfounded opinion... 😖

@spjennifer Ty for your service🌹🇺🇸