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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
The benefit of ivermectin against Covid is likely overblown, most of the studies showing its effectiveness were in populations that were infected with parasites, and since that is what ivermectin is typically used for, it showed some benefits with these populations.
Probably not effective for Westerners who have better diets and overall health.
But what did happen is the government and media promoted a misinformation campaign trying to say that the continued spread of Covid 19 was solely due to people not getting vaccinated, instead of the ineffectiveness of the vaccines themselves in preventing the spread of Covid. They promoted stories that the only use and benefit of ivermectin was as a horse dewormer, and pretended this is what people were taking instead of acknowledging that the drug is readily available and easy to come by. This ended when the media promoted a story about gun shot victims in Oklahoma not being seen in the emergency room due to it being overwhelmed with Covid patients. It was a fake story, and that was the catalyst to ending the misinformation campaign about ivermectin and the Covid vaccines.
Probably not effective for Westerners who have better diets and overall health.
But what did happen is the government and media promoted a misinformation campaign trying to say that the continued spread of Covid 19 was solely due to people not getting vaccinated, instead of the ineffectiveness of the vaccines themselves in preventing the spread of Covid. They promoted stories that the only use and benefit of ivermectin was as a horse dewormer, and pretended this is what people were taking instead of acknowledging that the drug is readily available and easy to come by. This ended when the media promoted a story about gun shot victims in Oklahoma not being seen in the emergency room due to it being overwhelmed with Covid patients. It was a fake story, and that was the catalyst to ending the misinformation campaign about ivermectin and the Covid vaccines.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@SumKindaMunster A typo? That's all you've got?? LOL!!!
Your quote:
Face it, your quote doesn't support your claim. Use all the ad hominem fallacies you like, your original claim is still indefensible.
Your quote:
"What we're seeing is it's the people who aren't getting vaccinated (that are being hospitalized). That tends to be younger people, not necessarily with medical problems. Maybe there is a sense that they are invincible."
Versus your claim:trying to say that the continued spread of Covid 19 was solely due to people not getting vaccinated,
Face it, your quote doesn't support your claim. Use all the ad hominem fallacies you like, your original claim is still indefensible.
ElwoodBlues · M
@SumKindaMunster First you said:
Instead, you said:
Perhaps you will show enough wisdom to not dig yourself any deeper in this hole, LOL!!!
trying to say that the continued spread of Covid 19 was solely due to people not getting vaccinated,
I challenged that, so you offered the following example as evidence of your claim. "What we're seeing is it's the people who aren't getting vaccinated (that are being hospitalized). That tends to be younger people, not necessarily with medical problems. Maybe there is a sense that they are invincible."
Problem is, your support quote says it's the unvaccinated who are getting hospitalized. The quote makes no claims about spreading. Did you even read it before you posted?? I guess not, because you made a few excuses about disingenousness and abandoned your original "solely due to people not getting vaccinated" claim.Instead, you said:
You asked me to provide proof that there was propaganda stating this was a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
But the text record above clearly proves that false! The text record above clearly proves I asked you to provide support for the original claim:trying to say that the continued spread of Covid 19 was solely due to people not getting vaccinated,
That's why I quoted that particular claim. Perhaps you will show enough wisdom to not dig yourself any deeper in this hole, LOL!!!
TexChik · F
It worked for millions in india, when combined with other supplements . That is a fact.
BizSuitStacy · M
Do you mean that thing idiot liberals call a pastey horse dewormer? Sooo 2019 😅
Or do you mean the wonder drug that's been used safely in humans for over 40 years and led to Nobel Prizes in Physiology or Medicine awarded to both William Campbell and Satoshi Omura? The drug the WHO and CDC has put on the list of essential medicines? The anti-parasitic that has proven anti-viral and anti-inflamatory capabilities? The drug that has been in 175 covid-19 studies, 121 of which that have been peer reviewed by 960 scientists in 27 countries involving more than 130,000 patients proving that ivermectin is effective as a prophylactic and in treating covid at all stages of disease? THAT IVERMECTIN?
https://c19ivermectin.com/
Or do you mean the wonder drug that's been used safely in humans for over 40 years and led to Nobel Prizes in Physiology or Medicine awarded to both William Campbell and Satoshi Omura? The drug the WHO and CDC has put on the list of essential medicines? The anti-parasitic that has proven anti-viral and anti-inflamatory capabilities? The drug that has been in 175 covid-19 studies, 121 of which that have been peer reviewed by 960 scientists in 27 countries involving more than 130,000 patients proving that ivermectin is effective as a prophylactic and in treating covid at all stages of disease? THAT IVERMECTIN?
https://c19ivermectin.com/
akindheart · 61-69, F
well you are the blind leading the blind aren't you? I guess you believe this was not a deliberate attack on people too right? I would have taken ivermectin but my doctor gave me paxlovid. i took 2 tablets. i dont' trust the government. period.
Allelse · 36-40, M
They find me one way or another, where I work, share houses where I hike, the idiots in my family.
In one job I had this fat IT guy send me an e-mail about this website, he was like "I've overheard some of your conversations, and I think this website would interest you". It was a long time ago but the website was filled with all sorts of insane, batshit conspiracy theories. I think there was even stuff about the lizard alien people in the government too. My stepfather is a flat earther and my father is a neo-Nazi. Had a share house landlord who told me that they have a cure for cancer but they're not releasing it, while hiking I ran into a mad man who told me that the government is putting something into the water to kill old people off quicker, so the government doesn't have to keep paying old people their old age pension.
In one job I had this fat IT guy send me an e-mail about this website, he was like "I've overheard some of your conversations, and I think this website would interest you". It was a long time ago but the website was filled with all sorts of insane, batshit conspiracy theories. I think there was even stuff about the lizard alien people in the government too. My stepfather is a flat earther and my father is a neo-Nazi. Had a share house landlord who told me that they have a cure for cancer but they're not releasing it, while hiking I ran into a mad man who told me that the government is putting something into the water to kill old people off quicker, so the government doesn't have to keep paying old people their old age pension.
plungesponge · 41-45, M
have fun with it. tell her you heard someone that sounded like Fauci at the vaccine centre in the next room, and he was talking about Phase 6 of The Plan. Then he spoke in fluent mandarin
ElwoodBlues · M
Ivermectin was tested via the gold standard double blind method. Here's a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, adaptive platform trial involving 3515 symptomatic SARS-CoV-2–positive adults recruited from 12 public health clinics in Brazil.
Translation: Ivermectin did nothing against Covid.
And while we're on the subject, let's look at another favorite of Trumpsters - hydroxychloroquin.
Randomized double blind placebo controlled study shows HCQ (hydroxychloroquin) does nothing for Covid-19 with or without AZ (azithromycin)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30389-8/fulltext
Also see https://wtop.com/national/2020/06/malaria-drug-fails-to-prevent-covid-19-in-a-rigorous-study/
A MUCH BIGGER retrospective study (96,000) was done by the US Veterans Admin https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/500021-va-hospitals-drop-hydroxychloroquine-as-coronavirus-treatment
Not that science is gonna convince most Trumpsters. They deny evolution, climatology, and the geological age of the Earth. So they have no problem denying epidemiology and immunology too!!
Conclusions
Treatment with ivermectin did not result in a lower incidence of medical admission to a hospital due to progression of Covid-19 or of prolonged emergency department observation among outpatients with an early diagnosis of Covid-19.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869Treatment with ivermectin did not result in a lower incidence of medical admission to a hospital due to progression of Covid-19 or of prolonged emergency department observation among outpatients with an early diagnosis of Covid-19.
Translation: Ivermectin did nothing against Covid.
And while we're on the subject, let's look at another favorite of Trumpsters - hydroxychloroquin.
Randomized double blind placebo controlled study shows HCQ (hydroxychloroquin) does nothing for Covid-19 with or without AZ (azithromycin)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30389-8/fulltext
Also see https://wtop.com/national/2020/06/malaria-drug-fails-to-prevent-covid-19-in-a-rigorous-study/
A MUCH BIGGER retrospective study (96,000) was done by the US Veterans Admin https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/500021-va-hospitals-drop-hydroxychloroquine-as-coronavirus-treatment
VA has almost completely stopped prescribing an anti-malaria drug touted by President Trump to veterans with COVID-19 after studies questioned its efficacy in treating the disease.
Not that science is gonna convince most Trumpsters. They deny evolution, climatology, and the geological age of the Earth. So they have no problem denying epidemiology and immunology too!!
ElwoodBlues · M
@SumKindaMunster I guess you can't handle facts and links to double blind scientific studies, LOL!!!
Oh wait, I get it, you can't refute the data, so you attack the messenger! What fallacy is that?? Oh,
Oh wait, I get it, you can't refute the data, so you attack the messenger! What fallacy is that?? Oh,
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ElwoodBlues · M
@SumKindaMunster You whined about my highly factual post and accused me of being triggered. I still don't know why. But responding to facts with a personal attack is the very definition of an ad hominem fallacy. I don't know why you keep jumping on my threads, is it because you desire attention from me??
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@MalteseFalconPunch Sounds like you are projecting.
Hey, I'm just responding to your responses, nobody's stopping you from slinking away with your tail tucked between your legs like you do in real life apparently.
Hey, I'm just responding to your responses, nobody's stopping you from slinking away with your tail tucked between your legs like you do in real life apparently.
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@MalteseFalconPunch Anything else Racebaiter Donkey Punch? 😆
Fairydust · F
It’s only crazy if you’re sucked into their system.
You believe the media lol
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You believe the media lol
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cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
More Ivermectin then for the rest of the ones who want to use it.
gol979 · 41-45, M
Got an even better cure (if not injected)......dont take a fraudulent covid test
ElwoodBlues · M
gol979 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues here he is....SW Big Harma salesman
MasterLee · 56-60, M
You teally shouldn't if you feel that strongly about proven drugs
ElwoodBlues · M
@MasterLee "believable" is quite a subjective measure. I go where the data leads me.
"I have an immune system"
"99 probs vax ain't 1"
"Officer Jack Nyce was a 17-year veteran of the force, the police department said in a statement on its Facebook page announcing his death. Sadly, he refused to be vaxxed and died of Covid."
A former Yakima area-based Washington State Patrol trooper whose resignation over mandated COVID vaccination for state employees went viral has died. The State Patrol announced Robert LaMay’s death Friday Jan 28 2022. He was 50.
One fact is I have never had covid and never will.
Like these guys??"I have an immune system"
"99 probs vax ain't 1"
"Officer Jack Nyce was a 17-year veteran of the force, the police department said in a statement on its Facebook page announcing his death. Sadly, he refused to be vaxxed and died of Covid."
A former Yakima area-based Washington State Patrol trooper whose resignation over mandated COVID vaccination for state employees went viral has died. The State Patrol announced Robert LaMay’s death Friday Jan 28 2022. He was 50.
ElwoodBlues · M
@MasterLee
Republican official H. Scott Apley who mocked COVID in final Facebook post dies of virus in Texas
Doug Kuzma swore he would stay home, but he died in the hospital of Covid. He caught it at "ReAwaken America" tour event in Dallas over the weekend of Dec. 10.
Qanon star said only idiots get vax
Arkansas mom Angela Morris shares regret; 13 year old on ventilator
Hollie Rivers regrets
One fact is I have never had covid and never will.
Or like these guys?Republican official H. Scott Apley who mocked COVID in final Facebook post dies of virus in Texas
Doug Kuzma swore he would stay home, but he died in the hospital of Covid. He caught it at "ReAwaken America" tour event in Dallas over the weekend of Dec. 10.
Qanon star said only idiots get vax
Arkansas mom Angela Morris shares regret; 13 year old on ventilator
Hollie Rivers regrets
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues you oversell like a slick used car salesman
carpediem · 61-69, M
She should have realized you’re an expert.
wackidywack · 26-30
haha one of my old coworkers I knew for around a week, at one instance she was telling me some trump conspiracy. I avoided her after that 🥴
SW-User
Sometimes it is conspiracy theories.
Sometimes it's things we simply cannot comprehend so to feel safe we write it off as a conspiracy theory.
I tend to keep an open mind when people suggest things, even if in that time I am not able to accept it.
Sometimes it's things we simply cannot comprehend so to feel safe we write it off as a conspiracy theory.
I tend to keep an open mind when people suggest things, even if in that time I am not able to accept it.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Maybe her horse has worms. She's just hoping to save on a call to the vet.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
There’s a custodian at my job who has many Antarctic conspiracy theories.
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DreamyCrush · F
StayAwayFromHer😳
SW-User
@DreamyCrush I try but she seems to like me for some reason
Zonuss · 41-45, M
Some people believe what they want to.
SW-User
Uh oh, you just stirred up the QAnon wing of SW, enjoy 🤣