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Hey blueskyking please stop defending a slave master known as Thomas Jefferson

https://similarworlds.com/beliefs/4672691-Happy-Birthday-Thomas-Jefferson-On-this-date-in-1743-Thomas

He owned 600-700+ slaves.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/


And Sam Harris was a racist that believed that white men have higher IQs than other races.

https://www.salon.com/2020/08/16/sam-harris-and-donald-trump-theyre-completely-different--yet-very-much-alike/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-murray-race-iq-sam-harris-science-free-speech

Stop defending bigots whether they're religious bigots or secular bigots.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M Best Comment
People need to stop treating the American founding fathers as saints. A bunch of slave-driving plantation owners whose ideas about freedom were narrowly restricted to white male landlords.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@CountScrofula Agreed. And I especially hate when people say, "you can’t judge the past by today’s standards !" Slavery as a bad thing is not a modern concept—the Revolutionary War happened because they didn’t want to be under someone else’s control; they understood the concept of freedom for themselves. Plus, there were active abolitionists, and slave "uprisings".
What I hear when someone tries to defend slaveowners based on different times is "It’s not their fault that they didn’t consider people like you human beings."
If not, whose fault was it ? Hell, yeah I can judge that—and I do. 🤨
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@bijouxbroussard Also it's just a bad argument and ahistorical, it wasn't particularly rare to be an abolitionist even in those days.

Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
Please stop defending racists @BlueSkyKing
https://similarworlds.com/religion/4669058-Happy-Birthday-Sam-Harris-On-this-date-in-1967-author-and


https://www.salon.com/2020/08/16/sam-harris-and-donald-trump-theyre-completely-different--yet-very-much-alike/

Donald Trump and Sam Harris are more alike. Both are racists and support anti immigration laws.
SW-User
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@SW-User Where's the racism here?
SW-User
@Peaceandnamaste it's everywhere
Projection and deflection.. the only trick the left have remaining in their manifesto.

@Peaceandnamaste the SCOTUS count right now is like 5 conservatives and 4 liberals.
Why are you anti racist angels trying to lynch the one black conservative when there’s 4 perfectly white conserves to get rid of?

Your actions and lies never align..
so sayeth Malcolm X

Sneedville · 22-25, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout [media=https://youtu.be/frqoA3Q9qNc]
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@Sneedville If Trump was acting like this and was yelling and screaming while being dragged away I will pay to see it.
SW-User
When are Slavic people going to receive reparations for being enslaved? #helptheslavs
@SW-User 🤣🤣🤣
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
Look at all these slave masters posing on your dollars
[media=https://youtu.be/32hUIGnMpOY]
Again, discouraging patriotism, I'm sure you're happy for others to celebrate their countries with all their flaws. We know it's wrong today but we can't try and make people hundreds of years ago see our viewpoints today.

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MarkPaul · 26-30, M
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@BlueSkyKing your ancestors owned slaves and killed indigenous people, there should reparations for the enslaved people and the people that were displaced from their land, culture and identity.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Peaceandnamaste I'm not in favour of reparations for enslavement. All cultures of all races have institutionalized slavery through the centuries. Thank goodness, humans have achieved a level of civilization to know it's wrong, but to expect everyone to pay everyone for ancestors who were enslaved is a fool's game.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@MarkPaul this song is gross look at them kissing
[media=https://youtu.be/XEwGPe0H_po] rednecks kissing.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Peaceandnamaste Yeah, but the singing is pitch-perfect and the lighting is spot-on.
Jefferson also started having children by one of those slaves, Sally Hemings. People have tried to revise that as some kind of "love story"—except she was 14 when it started and it’s unlikely that she had a choice. His white descendants at first denied it happened at all, until it was proven that they were sharing DNA with Hemings’ descendants.
Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
@bijouxbroussard All true. 100%. And yet he is still an immensely complicated and important figure. He did lay the philosophical groundwork for the eventual abolition of slavery in the US and wanted to do more at the time than proved possible. He was a complicated and flawed man, but also a great one in many ways.
@Harmonium1923 Except for being a child rapist…complicated, flawed. Right.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
I support, defend, and honour Thomas Jefferson with no hesitation, doubt, or apology.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@MarkPaul At least Abraham Lincoln never owned slaves and wasn't a racist.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Peaceandnamaste He's another saint... along with Thomas Jefferson.
Spotpot · 41-45, M
He was a man of his time.

 
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