@StrawberryMilkshake how about a restraint of trade? when people act in concert to prevent a person from working in their chosen field - sounds like there might be a conspiracy of one kind of another?
@StrawberryMilkshake It’s relèvent in terms of the claims of those who think kneeling is "disrespectful" to the military. A Marine would not have suggested it if it had been. Originally the idea was simply refusing to stand during the anthem. Kneeling is the humblest posture; it’s certainly not violent, it’s not noisy or disruptive. And one thing that’s always infuriated me is the attitude that many have towards the players themselves, and not just the public. On shows like Hannity, he was behaving as if someone just [b]gave[/b] those men their careers, talking about how "they should be [b][i]grateful[/i][/b]" about talented, professional athletes who have worked [b]hard[/b] for their money, often ending their careers with permanent, life-changing injuries as a result. If this is what we have decided we are going to pay professional athletes, why shouldn’t they get paid ?
"If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." Ronald Reagan. This woke nonsense we are seeing now with the identity politics and ridiculous attacks on biology and free speech.... plus the arson, vandalism, and violence are the beginnings of fascism brought to you by liberals and democrats!
I dunno even know what cancel culture is. Like Dave Chapelle got cancelled? The super successful multi-millionaire who sells out shows everywhere6? Poor guy.
@StrawberryMilkshake [quote]Cancel culture takes its name mostly from slang used in the makeup community on social media, especially YouTube, Twitter, and more recently TikTok[/quote]
I imagine the reason cancel culture is big on youtube is because there is a ton of competition on there. It might be possible that the more channels get big, the less payout each one would enjoy. Maybe?
Just a classic business move, the competition trying to either buy out or shut down the other guys.
Right-wing blowhards like Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro complain that they're being "censored" when they're disinvited from giving a speech at some university, when they have unlimited opportunity to get their views out in other ways.
It's a (deliberately) flaky term that can mean anyone being fired from their job, losing an advertiser, or getting criticized mildly on Twitter. It usually involves someone somewhat right-wing saying something slightly racist and then complaining about being 'canceled' and about how their 'free-speech' is violated because someone criticized them.
You will hear about how professor A got banned from speaking at a university 'just for expressing an opinion and about how the 'woke mob' are 'creating a 'new fascism' and are 'intolerant'. Then you read into the story a bit from another source and find out the professor was merely disinvited to a speaking event for about thirty people and that he said homosexuality was a mental illness.
I exaggerate slightly. The point is that I've come across right-wing people moaning about being 'canceled' 99% more than I've seen actual infringements for free speech by leftists. Though the right has a whole industry of people getting talk shows and book deals to moan about how nobody gives them a platform.
Meanwhile, if you express a left-wing view, almost no mainstream media source will touch you and if you criticize Israel, you get your career ended for alleged anti-Semitism.
A violation?? Cancel culture if it is anything is an expression of free speech. The opposite political movement promoted an overturn of a free election. Anyone that suggest that the “cancel culture” as penned by its opponents as a violation, is ironically a part of a movement to cancel free expression. At the worst they have torn down statues of the early 20 th century that promoted a “Jim Crow” mentality. Those fighting cancel culture has supported “Law and Order” that subverts any legitimate protest.
If someone is “canceled” by a private business or private citizens, that’s just freedom of association.
If I come over to your house and spray paint “Trump sux” on your wall, it’s not a violation of free speech if you ask me to leave and erase what I wrote. Free speech does not entitle you to a venue and does not mean that your freedom to speak is without consequences.
@Babylon Yes. A contract is enforceable in court. However, if one party violates the terms of a contract, the other party is free to ignore their own obligations under that same contract. Specifically, when you sign up for a social media site, you agree to their terms of service. If you violate them, they can "cancel" you. That's not a transgression of your freedom of speech, it's a private business severing a relationship based on rules both parties agreed to.
It's no different from you not paying a contractor who doesn't finish the job you hired him for, or a contractor not finishing a job because you stopped making progress payments.
Yea, they are a cancer to society. God help those future generations when world wars hit. At least I was born into the last of the hard arse generation, and we are the strongest men alive too right here right now and they’re ain’t many of us. I’m not too far gone and I’m not afraid either.
@AwakeningConfession221122 Hilarious. The "greatest generation" was spoon-fed with cheap housing and low-skill, high-wage jobs. They basically hollowed out the country and left the generations after them with the bill.
@LeopoldBloom I’m a last gen x, we got left with shit being ducked over by generations before us, but we just don’t have a sense of entitlement like the gen z
One of the problems is that 'cancel-culture' is so badly defined. It can mean a boycott, getting someone kicked off a platform, getting someone fired, blocking someone, or whatever. It conflates legal gree-speech, access to platforms and mere criticisms.
So whether Cancel-Culture is against free-speech or not depends on what people mean by it.
I would say yes. I would also so that I think so many people are so entitled now that they think everyone has to go along with their beliefs and world views otherwise they will try and essentially ruin other peoples careers and lives.
@REMsleep freedom of speech should be tempered with common sense which there is very little of in the media and the left wing government. Biden has no sense at all.
