Longpatrol · 31-35, M
There is no credible evidence that South Africa is committing genocide against white farmers. Here’s a clearer breakdown:
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🔍 The Facts on Farm Attacks & “Genocide” Claims
• Farm murders are real, but they are a very small fraction of South Africa’s murder totals. In 2024, there were 32 farm-related murders—down from 50 in 2023 and 43 in 2022—out of about 27,500 total homicides .
• The South African government doesn’t classify these attacks as genocidal and consistently says they are part of widespread criminal activity, not racial targeting .
• Independent fact-checks from Reuters, PBS, AP, FactCheck.org, and others confirm there is no targeted plan or campaign aimed at exterminating white farmers .
• The UN’s definition of genocide requires an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part” based on nationality, ethnicity, race, or religion. Experts and official statistics show that white South Africans are actually less likely to be murdered than their share of the population—and that the primary motives for farm attacks are robbery and general crime, not racial hatred .
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🏛 Government Position: Indifferent or Actively Responding?
• The South African government has repeatedly denied any racist or genocidal intent. President Ramaphosa labeled such claims as “inaccurate” and “clearly imagined” .
• Their stance frames farm murders as one element of broader criminality, with no official directives targeting whiteness. Land reform policies have provisions that can expropriate property but are subject to checks, not violent theft .
• Crime being widespread, most victims across South Africa are black men in impoverished townships, not affluent white farmers .
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🎯 So: Is the State Complicit?
• The South African state is not supporting or orchestrating violence against white farmers.
• There’s no evidence of state involvement or intentional indifference to racial murders. No laws encourage targeting, no funding for such actions, no statements supporting violence.
• The government’s response has focused on crime prevention, not race-based persecution. While rural safety remains a challenge, especially with policing stretched thin, the state treats it as a law enforcement and security issue, not a racial genocide issue .
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🧩 Broader Context
• Claims of “white genocide” have been amplified by far‑right and extremist influencers—including Trump’s recent use of the term—and have been debunked multiple times .
• Some Afrikaner-right groups (like AfriForum) have portrayed farm violence as racially motivated—but this perspective is not shared by mainstream South African institutions or the judiciary .
White farmers in South Africa do face serious threats—but those threats are criminal, not politically coordinated genocide. South Africa battles one of the world’s highest overall murder rates, and farm killings are a small, tragic piece of that puzzle.
• There’s no evidence the state is complicit in violence against whites.
• There is ongoing concern over rural safety, and the government is under pressure to improve.
• Conflating criminal violence with genocide inflames tensions and fuels extreme political agendas.
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🔍 The Facts on Farm Attacks & “Genocide” Claims
• Farm murders are real, but they are a very small fraction of South Africa’s murder totals. In 2024, there were 32 farm-related murders—down from 50 in 2023 and 43 in 2022—out of about 27,500 total homicides .
• The South African government doesn’t classify these attacks as genocidal and consistently says they are part of widespread criminal activity, not racial targeting .
• Independent fact-checks from Reuters, PBS, AP, FactCheck.org, and others confirm there is no targeted plan or campaign aimed at exterminating white farmers .
• The UN’s definition of genocide requires an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part” based on nationality, ethnicity, race, or religion. Experts and official statistics show that white South Africans are actually less likely to be murdered than their share of the population—and that the primary motives for farm attacks are robbery and general crime, not racial hatred .
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🏛 Government Position: Indifferent or Actively Responding?
• The South African government has repeatedly denied any racist or genocidal intent. President Ramaphosa labeled such claims as “inaccurate” and “clearly imagined” .
• Their stance frames farm murders as one element of broader criminality, with no official directives targeting whiteness. Land reform policies have provisions that can expropriate property but are subject to checks, not violent theft .
• Crime being widespread, most victims across South Africa are black men in impoverished townships, not affluent white farmers .
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🎯 So: Is the State Complicit?
• The South African state is not supporting or orchestrating violence against white farmers.
• There’s no evidence of state involvement or intentional indifference to racial murders. No laws encourage targeting, no funding for such actions, no statements supporting violence.
• The government’s response has focused on crime prevention, not race-based persecution. While rural safety remains a challenge, especially with policing stretched thin, the state treats it as a law enforcement and security issue, not a racial genocide issue .
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🧩 Broader Context
• Claims of “white genocide” have been amplified by far‑right and extremist influencers—including Trump’s recent use of the term—and have been debunked multiple times .
• Some Afrikaner-right groups (like AfriForum) have portrayed farm violence as racially motivated—but this perspective is not shared by mainstream South African institutions or the judiciary .
White farmers in South Africa do face serious threats—but those threats are criminal, not politically coordinated genocide. South Africa battles one of the world’s highest overall murder rates, and farm killings are a small, tragic piece of that puzzle.
• There’s no evidence the state is complicit in violence against whites.
• There is ongoing concern over rural safety, and the government is under pressure to improve.
• Conflating criminal violence with genocide inflames tensions and fuels extreme political agendas.
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Longpatrol · 31-35, M
@emiliya Going by what very very very little I know about the issue and disregarding the above AI analysis, I do not think there is an organised "genocide"
However, if we can compare it superficially to the ongoing and long standing simmering violence against arabs in the West Bank yes you could probably say there is an ethnic bent to the violence, yet I would not go fully to say its an ethnic cleansing.
Going by the history of South Africa an air of needed wealth redistribution probably does and should exist, however I would not condone violence against white farmers for such a purpose.
However, if we can compare it superficially to the ongoing and long standing simmering violence against arabs in the West Bank yes you could probably say there is an ethnic bent to the violence, yet I would not go fully to say its an ethnic cleansing.
Going by the history of South Africa an air of needed wealth redistribution probably does and should exist, however I would not condone violence against white farmers for such a purpose.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Longpatrol South Africa is a hopeless country.
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emiliya · 22-25, F
@BohemianBabe Why do they say they are disproportionately targeted?
BohemianBabe · M
@emiliya They don't, the claim actually comes from American Neo-Nazis.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
No, because "they" largely comprise some deeply unpleasant people and groups with no reputation for factually accurate reporting or serious political analysis.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@SunshineGirl “You need migrants to fill jobs.”
This is a very capitalist thing to say. Did you mean to say “slaves” instead of migrants?
Why can you not create your own young blood? I am aware you are not with a man, but this is what men and women are supposed to do. You get together, and you make a lot of babies.
Why should the migrants be given asylum if they do not submit the necessary paperwork or get rejected when they do submit it?
This is a very capitalist thing to say. Did you mean to say “slaves” instead of migrants?
Why can you not create your own young blood? I am aware you are not with a man, but this is what men and women are supposed to do. You get together, and you make a lot of babies.
Why should the migrants be given asylum if they do not submit the necessary paperwork or get rejected when they do submit it?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@emiliya Focus on what is, rather than what you think should be. That is the art of effective government. Otherwise you are left with the unedifying sight of Trump throwing tax dollars at women in the faint hope they will produce more babies, and an unsustainably high world population.
It's false.
JonLosAngeles66 · M
JonLosAngeles66 · M
It's a hoax. Conspiracy theory designed to activate right wing minded people with racist leanings.
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@Thrust stop the fake news ffs
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Roundandroundwego · 61-69
No. The West would always attempt to restore the past order - apartheid. You don't vote outside that box! You're fascists.