Is Israel plotting to drag the US into a World War with Iran to deflect from its genocide Gaza?

@Ozymandiaz China and Russia in particular are nuclear powers and have been for decades, it's nonsensical for them (or their [i][b]apologists[/b][/i]) to claim they are threatened

There is no reason to feel threatened either until you go around poking others in the eye to see what will happen (e.g., Russia poking Ukraine, China poking Taiwan, Philippines, etc.)

But again, this whole premise "oh noes, the US partners with allies, how dare they do the same thing I do, I must antagonize them, even though they aren't doing anything to me" is 300% complete bvllshit, especially when it is coming from the biggest countries in the world, who also happen to be nuclear superpowers (Russia and China aren't Guatelmala)

@BlueGreenGrey We will have to agree to disagree. I appreciate your optimism though.

@Ozymandiaz It was telling in a press briefing a few years ago that Obama could not keep track of how many countries the US was bombing on his watch alone.

@Burnley123 [quote]Taking out the Iranian embassy would indeed indicate that they are at least prepared for that eventuality.[/quote]

A couple of reasons Iran has not responded:

1. This was not technically an embassy. It's a residential annex with no diplomatic function, so they can claim the Embassy was not hit.

2. Iran does not have the tech, or the balls to do it.

[quote]If Iran attacked Israel directly then the Americans would 'have to' respond and the Biden administration would be fully committed on the Israeli side.[/quote]

That message was delivered to Iran, loud and clear. Yedioth Ahronoth theorizes this is the real reason Iran has not retaliated. The US is also cautious, because Iran's proxies can deliver a painful terror attack on the US and US interests.

@Burnley123 Crusie missiles travel for thousands of miles. I doubt it would be beyond the US capability to overwhelm any Iranian missile defence system the same way Hamas did for the Iron Dome. the country could be flattened without putting a boot on the ground with enough aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. that is my two cents anyway.

@Northwest Yes.

But my primary point is that the Israeli govt would like to get America involved and an escalation with Iran could lead to that. There are no indications that is Israel is slowing down and Iran will be under huge domestic pressure to retaliate, through proxies or otherwise.

This situation needs Israel to be forced into an immediate ceasefire.

@SisterShadow When?

@Ozymandiaz you can read up on the past peace efforts all the way back to the 70s on wikipedia but i somehow feel you would just dismiss that as propaganda and fake news

@SisterShadow I have been reading and I have never encountered your claims before. That is why I asked you to specify. Interestingly, you make a claim that you cant back up with any evidence 🤔

@Puppycat23 Ah, Iranian final warnings

@Elessar @Puppycat23 Oh?

@Ozymandiaz The Russians have a saying that China will traditionally issue warnings of very dire consequences, but never commit to what they threaten basically. The saying is expressed as "Chinese final warning". I've just used the other user's input to adapt it to Iran

@Picklebobble2 Genocide?

@Ozymandiaz Well that's the question currently being levelled at Israel and why they're finding it hard to get support.

It's one thing to state that you consider a 'political group' specifically responsible for the original incursion; murder and kidnapping.
It's another to go door to door systemically shooting as you go.

And then there's this targeting of specific addresses via missile...

@Picklebobble2 indeed

@ArishMell the interests of certain hardliners in their government:

@trollslayer Sadly that is true of many conflicts: hardliners of opposing views or wants fighting each other.

Not only hardliners in the government of Israel though: I'd say the same as the "settlers" illegally building homes on Palestinian territory.

@ArishMell exactly. Usa s no different.

@Ozymandiaz it’s not going to happen. The USA has no upside in a war with Iran. Besides, global events are all connected. The recent flare up there is a byproduct of the wests support for Ukraine - and therefore against Russia, who are strongly allied with Iran, who in turn stir up shit with their proxies in Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank, Yemen etc. A little too complex for the media to digest.

@DownTheStreet Well the Israeli bombing Lebanon and Bidens statement following that may tend to disagree. I only hope you are right though.

@Ozymandiaz Biden is playing all sides, they just want to keep it to a simmer. It’s election year. Iran is not the main problem facing the USA, it’s not even Russia (who is a bigger threat but still not worth a war.)

@MartinII well they've been trying to tell me what I think so it's totally fine.

@lumberjackslam I've asked you to justify what you said!

@Burnley123 that nobody will care, eventually, about what happened to a small piece of land and its warlike inhabitants. it's just common sense, not my personal like or dislike, wish or desire

@GeistInTheMachine No, indeed.

@Bumbles Doubtful

@Ozymandiaz I’ll manifest it.

@MartinII When will it be genocide?

@Ozymandiaz Never, unless Israel decides to exterminate all Palestinians, which seems extremely unlikely.

@MartinII Causing a famine isnt doing that?

@Bumbles Thanks for the honesty!

@NativePortlander1970 I watched the video that you provided. It is such a low bar I considered not even responding about how stupid It is. It's nothing more than whataboutry. Your evidence is no evidence, surprise surprise.

While even within Israel 12 of its top human rights organisations condemned the government for not allowing aid into Gaza and are accusing them of causing famine.

That journalists are not allowed into Gaza to report what is happening because Israel is preventing them. I wonder why that is?

So who are you going to believe? Random guy off YouTube that provided no evidence whatsoever or 12 of Israel's top human rights charities?

How about the evidence in the cases that have both Germany and Israel before the ICJ?

I know you won't listen to any of this because you have been squealing for the murder of children since the start of this current atrocity you ill-educated, psychopathic buffoon.

@trollslayer Very well put and the same thinking I have.