Canada killed more people in 2024 under the MAID program than gun homicide deaths in the US for the same year

@HumanEarth Because fundamentally animal euthanasia is done for the comfort of the human with disregard for the animal and in turn human euthanasia is denied for the comfort of other humans with disregard for the lone human. They are consistent beliefs about imposing control.

(This not a reply to you @Jackaloftheazuresand, but something more I want to say)

We euthanize our pets when they're in that kind of pain. We call it mercy. We don't call it killing. So what makes a human life more "worthy" of that same mercy just because they have a heartbeat?

I'm not saying this lightly. I'm not saying it to be provocative. I'm saying it because I watched it happen, and I know what it does to a person - and to the people who love them - to be forced to say no when every instinct in you is screaming yes

@Reject Thank you for your informed comment, it did make me think. 😔

@SumKindaMunster As a companion I’m assigned to the most troubled residents and many of them have mentioned not wanting to be here anymore. It’s my job to try and convince them that whatever is left of their life is worth living. That’s kinda hard to do when all they know is pain. They have no more independence to improve their life. Everyone they knew has gone away. The family clearly doesn’t care to have them around anymore. Try being a therapist to that.

The elderly are our most neglected population. There’s no easy answer on what we can do with them but at least Canada cares enough to give them an option. There’s too many people who push for lives that they don’t want to be responsible for. Who just want to feel morally right for preserving life while leaving the consequences of that on care providers. If any of them had any idea the amount of needless suffering they cause. I really hope their humanity would have them reconsider.

@Reject As a point of clarity, the Canadian MAID program does not exclusively deal with elderly populations, it is a wide range of illnesses and afflictions, but again, I appreciate your perspective and thank you for the work you do. I am sure it isn't easy. 🤗

@SumKindaMunster since medical care is paid for by the government they are absolutely in the mix.

I guess my point is that the government did pick and choose who they wanted dead.

And I get your point. More people chose assisted suicide than people in the US chose to "suicide" somebody else

US has about 8 times the population and had about three times the assisted suicides (there were another 4000 plus traditional Canadian Suicides)

Interesting was there were 20,000bor so applications for assisted suicide 16000 were approved...4000 denied.

The median age was 78 for those assisted.

Wonder how much may be seasonally related. Alaska suicide rate is very high as well

@Pretzel Can you clarify this point?
You are saying the US has 3 times assisted suicide rates compared to Canada?

@SumKindaMunster not assisted, sorry that wasn't clear

Three times the rate of suicide. I could only see on reference and that was for 2020...10 of the 60 states allow it. So the suicides are probably mostly in assisted

@sstronaut You disagree that it's interesting? Ok.

Feel free to do your own post on comparing those things, and perhaps I will comment on it.

@SumKindaMunster Its not really. Its kinda like a survey asking who had sex last month and counting the national rape statistics in the number.

@TheDeathOCuHullainn I'm sorry you made several comments on a subject that you don't find interesting.

A little bored today?

@Entwistle Ostensibly, yes. There could be something to say about the pressure to accept euthanasia as a result of a poor medical diagnosis.

Again, I find it interesting that Canadians and other Westerners make a big stink about guns and gun violence in America....yet at the end of the day the government of Canada has killed more of its citizens than all the gun deaths in America combined.

@Entwistle Depends. I'm not familiar with every single case.

However, for example, you go out with a gun with the intent to use it, and you get killed by another person through gun violence...did that person ask for that? Well maybe since they went out with a gun looking to use it.

@SumKindaMunster I would never carry a gun even it were permitted here.

@Entwistle Yeah I'm aware of your left wing leanings gov'nor. 😘

@Iwillwait Well, they didn't die under that legislation then did they. And just because you have a feeling doesn't mean there are any facts supporting it.

@Zeusdelight How many died against their will?

@Iwillwait I have no idea. You bought the idea up.

@SumKindaMunster

You've deliberately sited a very weird statistic, so you will stand by what you wrote: It's like saying more Canadians wear winter coats than Americans get parking tickets. Sure, the numbers might be right, but what exactly are we comparing besides our ability to count? Comparing MAID deaths to gun homicides is like comparing hospital discharges to bank robberies. The numbers aren't the story. The comparison is.

@tenente Here is the point I have made several times on this post that you didn't bother to read:


You being angry about my post and feeling some sort of way about that is not a valid rebuttal.

@SumKindaMunster A voluntary medical death and a firearm homicide are such different events that the comparison creates more heat than light. And that is your intention: generate anger.

The comparison only works if you assume a voluntary medical procedure and a criminal homicide belong in the same bucket. That's the premise I'm questioning.

And, I'm not angry 🤗 I will always forgive you.