Canada killed more people in 2024 under the MAID program than gun homicide deaths in the US for the same year

@Jackaloftheazuresand Speaking for yourself.

@Rabscuttle i remember now - after i looked up her story. To be honest - i forgotten about her story. I'm glad you brought it up

@HumanEarth What I see missing from this whole conversation (not focusing on you, @HumanEarth) is the FACT that M.A.I.D. is a personal choice made by the person who is TERMINALLY ill and has to make statutorially INFORMED CONSENT both in the application process leading up to M.A.I.D. and at the time they request to invoke M.A.I.D.

M.A.I.D. is not euthanization at the behest of a 'loving' relative or anyone else. It is a very regulated and often denied last resort. Besides, not all doctors will lend their name to performing a M.A.I.D. (Medical Assistance In Dying) procedure.

@SumKindaMunster As a companion I’m assigned to the most troubled residents and many of them have mentioned not wanting to be here anymore. It’s my job to try and convince them that whatever is left of their life is worth living. That’s kinda hard to do when all they know is pain. They have no more independence to improve their life. Everyone they knew has gone away. The family clearly doesn’t care to have them around anymore. Try being a therapist to that.

The elderly are our most neglected population. There’s no easy answer on what we can do with them but at least Canada cares enough to give them an option. There’s too many people who push for lives that they don’t want to be responsible for. Who just want to feel morally right for preserving life while leaving the consequences of that on care providers. If any of them had any idea the amount of needless suffering they cause. I really hope their humanity would have them reconsider.

@Reject As a point of clarity, the Canadian MAID program does not exclusively deal with elderly populations, it is a wide range of illnesses and afflictions, but again, I appreciate your perspective and thank you for the work you do. I am sure it isn't easy. 🤗

@Reject God bless you. That is a tough job.

@Pretzel Can you clarify this point?
You are saying the US has 3 times assisted suicide rates compared to Canada?

@SumKindaMunster not assisted, sorry that wasn't clear

Three times the rate of suicide. I could only see on reference and that was for 2020...10 of the 60 states allow it. So the suicides are probably mostly in assisted

@Pretzel Thanks I appreciate the clarification. It is interesting to look at that comparison. Apparently MAID is legal in certain jurisdictions in the US. I wasn't aware of that.

@Rabscuttle Why? I'm comparing raw numbers here. My point:

I find it interesting that Canadians and other Westerners make a big stink about guns and gun violence in America....yet at the end of the day the government of Canada has killed more of its citizens than all the gun deaths in America combined.

@SumKindaMunster You're comparing raw unrelated numbers. As I pointed out, MAID has not killed more people than gun deaths in the US, or even gun suicides in the us; just gun HOMICIDES.

A fairer comparison, if you're trying to prove that guns aren't the problem, would be the people killed by the lack of temperature controls in Europe (less of an issue in Canada), or the violence rates in, say, the UK, where guns aren't a factor, with those in the US- ideally also adding in Switzerland and Afghanistan, nearly as gunny as we are. Doing it as you did makes it look like you're just trying to score cheap political points, rather than say anything more meaningful- or accurate, for that matter.

@Rabscuttle Well I appreciate your comments. Feel free to do your own comparisons with the data you suggested, and perhaps I will review it and comment.

@Kypro I know you struggle to comprehend anything that isn't put into a meme.

@SumKindaMunster obviously you’re projecting

@SilverF0x You just criticize data that is stale according to your own selfish perspective then?

@SumKindaMunster Iuhhh data is correct. Comparing the two doesn’t make sense. Timing is suspect

@SilverF0x Thank you for your clarification. See my many comments about my reasoning to make the comparison, should you care to do so.

And yeah, the current political climate could have something to do with my motivations.

@SumKindaMunster @Ozymandias
This was the most even handed and logical response to this post.

But I feel Herr Munster is going through something of a crisis currently, so he’s not going to agree.

@AdmiralPrune Nah, just childish snark. You Brits don't know the difference as it's the default for how you deal with disagreement.

Don't agree? Just say something condescending and vaguely insulting, that'll do it!

@SumKindaMunster It would be interesting, if it was apples to apples... but it's CLEARLY not...

Because with the MAID program, they have to have an illness that they can't recover from, and they have to be willing.

To be killed by a gun, you don't have to be willing, and you could be perfectly healthy, two very different things.

Also, a couple of US states have their own MAID programs and you aren't adding those numbers in.


I already did, a good while ago

https://similarworlds.com/europe/5608719-European-why-no-AC-Supposedly-more-in-the-European-Union

@SumKindaMunster I assume anyone who doesnt agree with you, you consider triggered.

To over simplify for your benefit, comparing scones and murder I’d like comparing purchase and theft.

It might be the same to your fragile tiny mind, but it just isn’t.

@Jas88 I never said it was. I consider someone triggered when they can't respond rationally to an argument without losing control of their emotions.

You seemingly got upset and are still upset that I have made this comparison...so much so that you have insulted me several times for daring to do so...

Yet, you aren't triggered? I dunno....🤔

@Entwistle Ostensibly, yes. There could be something to say about the pressure to accept euthanasia as a result of a poor medical diagnosis.

Again, I find it interesting that Canadians and other Westerners make a big stink about guns and gun violence in America....yet at the end of the day the government of Canada has killed more of its citizens than all the gun deaths in America combined.

@SumKindaMunster I would never carry a gun even it were permitted here.

@Entwistle Yeah I'm aware of your left wing leanings gov'nor. 😘

@SumKindaMunster but how they died, is the entire point, especially the willingly or unwillingly...

And yeah you could ignore that part, but then that would be ignoring the entire point of the outrage or subject.

@Scroffington

@Scroffington I'll be straight with you Dave. I've been annoyed by the amount of anti American crap from Canadians and I thought this comparison made an interesting counter point....

The Canadian government kills more people than all the gun homicide violence in the US...for 2024 anyway.

@Iwillwait Well, they didn't die under that legislation then did they. And just because you have a feeling doesn't mean there are any facts supporting it.

@Zeusdelight How many died against their will?

@Iwillwait I have no idea. You bought the idea up.

@Noworries72 Thank you for this comment.

@meJess What do you think you know about "the US way"?

@SumKindaMunster I have just given you a fact that illustrates it.

@meJess Is that what you think you did?

@SumKindaMunster No.... But this is not the first time (of many BTW) where you make a provocative statement that is not founded in FACT. So.... come on in and show us what you've got to back this up.

@JollyRoger The data and source is in the post.

@SumKindaMunster
Very impressive stats! I notice however that where M.A.I.D. is a self-chosen method of dying and that the 15,300 people who chose that assistance, that in the USA, there were 27,593 (from 2024 stats) people who chose gun suicide as their means of dying.
I know that this is an 'apples vs oranges' comparison.... but your stat incorporates violence against others - which is more misleading (and less likely). Would you like to compare homicides per capita in Canada versus homicides per capita in the USA = pick your year!!
As the old saying goes, "Statistics can be made to say anything." meaning that without a context they are misleading.

@SunshineGirl It's to demonstrate that people like you, who believe the US is a dangerous, violent place, some interesting comparisons to consider.

The Canadian government kills more people(or gives them the means to do so if you are pedantic) than all the gun violence in the US.

@SumKindaMunster Well you haven't really answered any of my points above. The point is not pedantic. The only involvement of the Canadian government is in creating a legislative framework in which euthanasia is legal. If you make the claim that the Canadian government is directly killing its own citizens, you must extend the same absurd logic to the US government.

Any opinions I express are based on evidence, not sentiment. Based on a like-for-like comparison of firearm and other homicide, and the number of its own citizens incarcerated for those offences, the US clearly ranks as one of the more violent societies in the world.

@SunshineGirl And I'm not going to. You certainly ignore my points when they are inconvenient to you.

@Stereoguy

@Stereoguy China's doing I would imagine. The Canadian PM owns a home in the US and his family is in the US often...I hope Rubio revokes his visa...and make him keep his ass north of the border.

@SumKindaMunster A voluntary medical death and a firearm homicide are such different events that the comparison creates more heat than light. And that is your intention: generate anger.

The comparison only works if you assume a voluntary medical procedure and a criminal homicide belong in the same bucket. That's the premise I'm questioning.

And, I'm not angry 🤗 I will always forgive you.

@SumKindaMunster I can tell this is something important to you so here are 2 articles I found that question the legitimacy of MAID:

1) Here's some polling data showing concerns Canadians have about the system. The article doesn't say "MAID is evil". It asks a hard question: "How confident are Canadians that people are choosing MAID freely when healthcare, housing, disability support and palliative care aren't adequate* in some cases?" (*typo)

https://angusreid.org/disability-maid-health-care-canada-medical-assisted-death/

2) This research article directly questions the legitimate application of MAID. "Safeguards" are fragile and not always applied. Some MAID cases involved social stress, disability pressures and questions about alternatives. Criteria used for MAID eligibility was misinterpreted.

https://spcare.bmj.com/content/bmjspcare/early/2026/01/27/spcare-2025-006046.full.pdf

So, can a choice truly be free if there are no good alternatives presented? That's something that advocates for MAID really struggle with. I think these two pieces of research support that question.

I've never expressed my views on doctor assisted suicide. What I think doesn't matter. What I can't stand is when an argument is made with weak supporting evidence. You're welcome 🤗

@tenente I can tell this is something important to you because you bothered to pull some reports that have nothing to do with my argument.

Nobody else on here had a problem understanding it, just you.

Or, more likely, you don't care about my argument. You are just mad because I post opinions that are in opposition to yours.

It's seemingly important to you to put me down and ignore my points as some sort of way to soothe your anger and delegitimize my opinions by mocking them or ignoring them.

Grow up and respond like an adult. If not, I will delete your comments from my post.

Thank you.