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When did republicanism change from

a political ideology centred on citizenship in a state and emphasise on self rule to Conservatism?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Waaaay back, the Republicans were the party of anti-slavery. It's why some of them cling to the idea of Lincoln so much. The Republican base was then in the north and the Democrat base in the South. Obviously, this is a pre-welfare state and both parties were run and voted for by property-owning white men.

Despite the franchise expansion, the ideology of each party didn't change away from classical liberal economics until the 1930s. Then, the FDR democrats adopted left-Keynesianism with the New Deal. This was possible because of the intense poverty during the great depression and the rising power of labour unions.

Later, during the 60s, Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. This was then a divisive thing within the Democrats because white southerners were mostly opposed to it. Shortly after, the Republicans came up with the Goldwater Southern strategy and talked about states' rights. This was a racist dog whistle because everyone knew that giving southern states more power would be used to oppress black people. The demographics shifted in the '60s and '70s so that Democrats became the party of the north and the cities, republicans the south and rural areas. It's been that way since.

Then there was Reaganism which was what Thatcherism was in the UK. Then there was Trumpism and they became even worse!
Briggett · T
@Burnley123 wow what a lesson on the modern neoconservative doctrine.
Nice post and great point.
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@basilfawlty89

They cancel republicans.
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
@MarthannBann888

Imagine that. Republicans outraged over “cancel culture”.

Dshhh · M
Actually the transition. It’s pretty specific. During the Reagan era, it was recognized that a large number of Americans of social conservative viewpoint Had been ignored. And so the Republicans at that time started reaching out to them. In addition they themselves and started doing things like school book elections and such. So distracted a more reactionary version of social conservatism. This is very distinctly different from the conservatism. I’ve say the Goldwater era. And because I got them so many Converse that kept feeding that bunch. Not recognizing at the time that there’s a big overlap between evangelical Christianity and complete brain dead fuck wits
The more they pander, the more they got all the social conservatives. After the great debacle of Nixon, eventually something called the Powell memorandum with written it was a blueprint on how they take back power having lost it. American history is weird
RedBaron · M
@MarthannBann888 That’s right, everyone is out to get you.
@MarthannBann888 More lies!!

Show us ONE PERSON who has called you that!!!
SW-User
@MarthannBann888 Someone's triggered...😂
RedBaron · M
There have always been some conservative principles embraced as a center-right party.

What it has turned into under Trump is a party of authoritarianism and totalitarianism.

This excellent piece sums it up.

https://news.yahoo.com/heres-know-republican-party-become-103014424.html
RedBaron · M
@MarthannBann888 There you again with the personal attacks, so you forfeit any credibility and automatically lose the argument.

As it happens, I have seen several members of my family do doctoral dissertations.

But as an academician, I am surprised you would be so close-minded and dismissive of different perspectives.
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@RedBaron

It is amazing that a person can be as insulting as you and continue to whine about others. Every single statement I make you put down. Absolutely nothing, escapes your sarcasm. The verifiable truth gets "cut and paste". You, Red Baron, are here to do dirty work.
RedBaron · M
@MarthannBann888 Absolutely no comma after “Absolutely nothing…”
I don't think it ever did. There's very little that is "conservative" about the Republican party, and it's front runner for the President in 2024.

Ignoring the things that have developed over the last few millennia that they want to destroy or abolish, I guess they might want to conserve stuff like gun violence, lawlessness, Putin, white majorities and the like.
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@MistyCee

I don't know what you do, or how you really think. If you don't believe in unopposed power, you would be more honest to back someone else. To support the kkk/democrats is to be one.
@MarthannBann888 Who exactly is it that you think I'm backing so vehemently?

Honestly, I think a more valid criticism of my political posting here is that I may be overly critical of Trumpism and those who seek to profit from it without really backing anyone else solidly.

Btw, the kkk/Democrats thing is really annoying. The first Republican I ever really took an issue with was a former grand Wizard running for governor as a Republican. I voted for the crook then, for much the same reason I voted for Biden.
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Ynotisay · M
I think the sea change took place with Reagan, the rise of the Christian Coalition in government and the ending of the Fairness Doctrine which was led by Republicans. All the fuel was there and the internet was the match.
MarthannBann888 · 70-79, F
@Ynotisay

OK little coward! Define the "fairness doctrine" and tell how unfair it actually is! True kkk democratic.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
It started for the most part around the time of Reagan when the [i]Moral Majority[/i] started getting candidates elected. Then they made a deal with the Tea Party bunch around the time McCain was their candidate for President and made stoopid Sarah his running mate, they still lost. The Republican Party of old is long gone, now it is full of special interest idiocy paid for by lobbyists and gun nuts and voting for an outright grifter and moron as their candidate for President.
RedBaron · M
@spjennifer To me, he’s not a moron so much as a demagogue a la Mussolini.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@RedBaron Oh there's not doubt he is that too but he's definitely a grifter too. As for him being a moron, all you have to do is listen to his speeches a couple of times and there will be little doubt that he is!
RedBaron · M
@spjennifer I try to avoid that.
specman · 51-55, M
I get the vibe that y’all against conservatives, that are twisting things to fit your agendas and are just Anti American. It’s the same user’s on this post that have supported Hamas in other posts. Except [ @Elwood ]. I don’t think I have seen this User on any posts denouncing Israel or really being Anti American. We might have different views on other posts.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@specman supporting Palestine is different to supporting hamas. Republicanists during and after the French revolution held the ideals that monarchy should be abolished and instead have a democratically voted leader of the state that answers to the people
As far as I'm concerned, Republicanism is still Representative Democracy. I'm a literal republican. But the Republican Party has abandoned actual Republicanism decades ago.
GlitterEater · 36-40, F
Conservatives realized the easiest way to get unpopular legislature passed is on a more local level, so they jumped in on state's rights.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Oh I'm a committed Republican.
Erin go Bragh!

Oh no...not that Republican.
Dshhh · M
@basilfawlty89 I wish republic Meant what it used to
RedBaron · M
@basilfawlty89 What size bra does Erin wear? 😂🤣
It was gradual, when the platform became about "preserving U.S. traditions".
@Guitarman123 Right, but there are at least two issues:
What the term means and its history in the [b]world[/b].
Its history as a political party in the United States, which has been a shorter period of time, but complicated.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@bijouxbroussard during the French revolution. Afterwards as supported by people like percy shelley and karl marx, a Republican meant to abolish the muck of ages so to speak, where the people democratically vote in a leader, or leaders who simply serve to improve the lives of the people who voted them in
@Guitarman123 Like I said, the world definition and the United States definition aren’t even in the same universe.

 
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