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Aggressive Evangelists

The christian evangelists have been busy harrassing people in town recently. Don't they realize their aggressive approach, insulting everyone who isn't their specific brand of christian, drives people away from christianity? Or it that their intention?
Adstar · 56-60, M
And you use a Christian cross with a red strike through it as your avatar... Why do you use such an aggressive symbol of bigotry as your avatar and then turn around and complain about aggressive evangelists? Tell me did they grab you in the street and beat you up? Did they hit you with sticks? Did they throw stones at you? Where they really aggressive or are you just projecting..
@BritishPerson They are beneficiaries of the violent spread of Christianity in the past that allows them to operate in relative safety. Same as my life as an American benefits from past violence that cleared out the original inhabitants of the place I live now.

I agree that we can't apply modern standards to peoples' past behavior, but that violence wasn't universally accepted back then, either - at least, not by the victims. Also, Christianity at least nominally opposes conversion through force.

If someone is converted by force, and only fakes belief to avoid death, are they truly saved? What about their descendants?
Caroline259 · 56-60, F
@Adstar [quote]i just need to share Gods message..[/quote]
That's impossible if "God" doesn't exist and I've yet to see any evidence it does.
Caroline259 · 56-60, F
@BritishPerson [quote]I was really only talking about modern-day Christian street preachers.[/quote]
I've encountered some very aggressive evangelical Christians, attempting to intimidate their victims. Most seem to stop just short of serious physical violence although, as @rob19 says, even the slightest touch is a battery so, strictly speaking, I have been "battered" (to use the legal term) by them.
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@OldMan70 Another way to get them to stop is to tell them that you were raised as a Jehovah's Witness, but have since left the church. They will put your house on a "do not visit" list as the last thing they want is knowledgeable people challenging their missionaries.
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Mathers · 61-69
Interesting that someone who uses an avatar with a cross crossed-out complains about other people being aggressive. But there is none so blind as those who won’t see.
Mathers · 61-69
Sorry you are totally out of touch with history. Yes there was a personality cult but there was atheism at its root.@PrincessOfHell
@Mathers At the systems root was the change of materialistic and feudal conditions.
There was Anti-theism yes but seeing it as the root cause of Communism and authoritarianism is just stupid.
Mathers · 61-69
Sorry history is against you. But why bother with the facts when prejudice will do?@PrincessOfHell
th3r0n · 36-40, M
Well I don't know the specifics so maybe they were lost themselves, but the Bible tells how we are meant to do things and that we would be hated by the world for it and to expect it

Most that claim to be Christian aren't actually doing that, but it offends people more than anything these days

It shows in the powers of this world that are against what is good

They ignore the island where they keep young women as slaves for sex, but attack the words of God

They even like the Catholic church more than the word of God, because it is greatly contrary to the word of God

And the abuses come from them much, those in power, but the people still love lies rather than truth

And how can one who doesn't know God find him when most who claim to know him don't? It sure doesn't help to assume that many lies about God doesn't mean God is a lie, for God is neither a lie not a liar, but has done unbelievable things for me over and over
@th3r0n If there [i]were[/i] evidence of your god's existence it would be all over the news. It would be something every single platform would talk about and the number of Christians in the world would probably increase rapidly.
But we've been seeing the opposite happening for a while now: more evidence of evolution, more knowledge about our universe, more atheists and fewer Christians.
Not to mention even Christians frequently admit their god doesn't exist without realizing it. Even you guys know deep down your god doesn't exist, you've just been indoctrinated in such a way that you ignore contradictions and logical inconsistencies wherever they occur.
rob19 · M
@th3r0n [quote]The scientific evidence of creation somehow does not sway you[/quote]
What "scientific evidence" points to your specific god rather than one of the thousands of others?
rob19 · M
@Emosaur [quote]Every time I ask a Christian to present it they get offended over nothing or it turns out they were trolling.[/quote]
I've found that attitude too. They claim to have loads of evidence but for some strange reason they're very unwilling to show it, they just keep repeating the same worthless claim.
okaybut · 56-60, M
A cult needs a cause.
val70 · 51-55
@rob19 Look it up. You want to challenge either doctrine or evidence gathered over centuries. The ordinary though verbally transmitted accounts being also written down records there for that last point. Or do you want me to send a link to the Vatican archives? Perhaps you can visit them like I did once 😀
val70 · 51-55
@val70 Here a good intro that world: [media=]
@rob19 Sone Christian groups are cults or cultlike, but not all of them.
Carissimi · 61-69, F
Christianity has been infiltrated by the Woke aka Neo-Marxists, in the last few years. The Church of England is having drag shows in their churches. Whether these particular Christians are genuine or not, I can’t say. If they act aggressive, I’d say they are fake, and trying to destroy the religion. You know a Christian by the way they live, and present themselves. If they don’t live by the teachings of Jesus, then they are not Christians.
rob19 · M
@Carissimi You seem to be the troll here.
Carissimi · 61-69, F
How so. I gave a lucid and rational opinion. This person responded to my comment as though I was personally insulting her. Maybe you both are Woke, and that’s you you are offended by the truth. @rob19
rob19 · M
@Carissimi You insult everyone who doesn't buy into your beliefs. I'm not offended by the truth, I'm offended by christian lies and BS.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
It’s ok to be rude to them when they violate your personal space. Technically, in the USA, if you advise them not to trespass and they return, you can call the police to remove them.
rob19 · M
@BackyardShaman It's very hard to remain polite when you're being harrassed by then and they won't take no for an answer.
Mathers · 61-69
No it’s ok to say what you as an atheist think however rude it may be. That is the word! @rob19
I think you are right. This kind of Christian does drive others away for Yeshua. They don't see it this way, though. They think they are loving you and they are trying to save you from a bad eternity. Still, I think, maybe they forget, that unless one is called by Elohim they will not hear the message with love, but will be offended. . "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me."John 10:27. I think a Christian's' own life should reflect Yeshua's teachings, and then if someone comes to you, because of your example, and asks you about Yeshua, this is when you tell them the good news.
rob19 · M
@SW-User [quote]The increase in hatred towards Christians world wide is increasing every day.[/quote]
They bring it on themselves with their aggressive arrogance.
@SW-User So according to your idea of Christianity I won't go to hell for not being convinced your god exists?
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@rob19 exactly like you
Ynotisay · M
They give two shits about Christianity. They get off on enemies. They're cultists.
Morvoren · F
So glad I’m not in America.

In the U.K. they just hand you a leaflet but sometimes there’s cake too. You don’t even have to stick around.
Sharon · F
@Morvoren [quote]That doesn’t seem consistent with what I be seen you do and say here. [/quote]
In what way? I challenge christian BS and misinformation when I have time to do so.
Morvoren · F
@Sharon See, if you didn’t want to talk about their religion you’d ignore them, but for exactly what you said above is the reason why you have arguments and feel harassed if they don’t go your way.
Sharon · F
@Morvoren I try to ignore them in the street because I'm usually going somewhere for a purpose. It's not easy though as they are very persistent. I feel harrassed when they try to physically stop me from going about my lawful business. I respond to christian BS here when I have time. Is that what you mean be being inconsistent?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
So what Christian evangelists or denomination is doing this? If you say JWs or Mormons I am going to laugh at you since both those cults are not Christian
rob19 · M
@hippyjoe1955 ROFLMAO. It must really suck to be as stupid as you.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@rob19 So says the guy who has the discernment of a bull moose in rut. Too Funny!!!!
rob19 · M
@hippyjoe1955 I would advise you not give up the day job but I doubt you have one. You might just be bright enough to be a village idiot.
val70 · 51-55
I don't think that it's their intention, but it happens now all over the world. If more moderate voices don't stand up any more and argue against it, well, there goes christianity as a highly influencial group in today's society. So support the moderates inside the churches!
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
They are not true Christians. True Christians have not existed for 1800 years. These are something else. Sounds like a cult.
I'm Christian. but i hate when people force a religion or view on someone else.

That's not right.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
Hmmmm how exactly are they being aggressive?
Your avatar seems aggressive.
rob19 · M
@REMsleep [quote]In this space ( SW) I would say that your avatar is rude and somewhat aggressive [/quote]
In that case we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm certainly not going to change it. Would you agree that an avatar depicting a crucifix or other christian symbol is aggressive and offensive to non-christians?

I've never been approached in the street or on my doorstep by members of any religion other than christianity. I have been approached in the street by various campaign groups but they've all been very polite and have never tried to prevent me going about my business.

[quote]Did they physically touch you or prevent you from walking on?[/quote]
Yes. In one case I had to call for police assistance.
Sharon · F
@rob19 I know of some Pagans who had to request police attendance at a funeral because of threats from christians.
rob19 · M
@Sharon I know how aggressive and violent christians can be.
caesar7 · 61-69, M
I thnk it's because the world is becoming more sinful in their eyes. Deviant issues, family morals etc...all things perverse have gotten out of hand so they are trying to make us righteous. Morals and values are not valued any longer.
@caesar7 Christian morals and values are not valued any longer which I think is great and leads to freedom. That doesn't mean morals and values are gone. Everyone has different sets of morals and values who often overlap.
rob19 · M
@PrincessOfHell [quote]Christian morals and values [/quote]
They're just an excuse to persecute others.
BritishPerson · 41-45, M
@rob19 No. I used to be somewhat fundamentalist in my younger days so I can understand their mindset. It's not out of a desire to persecute others, control others or anything like that. They genuinely believe that people are in need of salvation and are trying to lead people to it. They have loving motives even if you don't like their message or the way they deliver it.
caesar7 · 61-69, M
In the words of the late great Christopher Hitchins: "Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
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Ynotisay · M
@Entwistle Me too. It's only happened a few times but if you come right out of the chute with a "Get out of my face with that nonsense" message they crumble.
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@Entwistle A sincere greeting with "Ave Satanas" does the trick
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