Ferise1 · 46-50, M
Yes it’s all jewy
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Charity · 70-79
In all honesty a thousand years or so ago it probably could be considered a sect of Judaism going by the definition of the word....... But today the definition wouldn't apply because there are over 2 billion Christians to whereas there are only a few million who worship in Judaism.
Belief in the same God - but as people are - as people do - because they disagree they separate themselves.
Jews do not believe in the Divinity of Christ to where as Christians do are at least most Christians I am learning there are some who identify as Christians don't believe in the Divinity of Christ either - Jews still acknowledge some of the teachings if the Old Testament past down through the millennias to where as Christians don't.
And actually Jesus taught Judaism, he obey the laws and corrected how the laws were used where necessary, even if rejected.
Belief in the same God - but as people are - as people do - because they disagree they separate themselves.
Jews do not believe in the Divinity of Christ to where as Christians do are at least most Christians I am learning there are some who identify as Christians don't believe in the Divinity of Christ either - Jews still acknowledge some of the teachings if the Old Testament past down through the millennias to where as Christians don't.
And actually Jesus taught Judaism, he obey the laws and corrected how the laws were used where necessary, even if rejected.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Charity
That's wrong. You couldn't find an authentic original copy written in Greek for all of the gold in the galaxy. If you can, then produce it for analysis.
The Catholics wrote the entire Bible using a committee in the 680s-early 690s to produce three master copies in Latin in response to the Koran, written in the 630s. The books weighed 75 pounds and one copy still exists. All Bibles after that were translations.
The New Testament was written in Greek / translated from Greek.
That's wrong. You couldn't find an authentic original copy written in Greek for all of the gold in the galaxy. If you can, then produce it for analysis.
The Catholics wrote the entire Bible using a committee in the 680s-early 690s to produce three master copies in Latin in response to the Koran, written in the 630s. The books weighed 75 pounds and one copy still exists. All Bibles after that were translations.
Charity · 70-79
@Diotrephes
SO SAY YOU in your opinion about the Catholics writing the NEW TESTAMENT in the 7th century / there is some information that should only be trusted by scholars not personal opinions, then you don't believe in God anyway........................................
Why Was New Testament Written in Greek? https://share.google/4bSt1TMPIvNaGcKrt
What Was the Original Language of the Bible? (Old & New Testament) https://share.google/cCggkGPIg8cr3yIxP
What Language Was the Bible Written In? | Bible Gateway News & Knowledge https://share.google/uuYWRJGv8DQ84A8LL
YOU ARE CORRECT to say there are no KNOW original transcripts only copies of the letters Paul wrote.
What is now called the Catholic church in the 4th century comprise / meaning put together / the ALREADY TRANSLATED TO LATIN New Testament and Old Testament into rolls or Scrolls..... The Bibles you are speaking of were produce with a combination of the Old and New Testament weighing anywhere from 60 to 70 lb after the 12th century from already translated works that were written on papayrus, or animal skins - such as the Gutenberg Bible produced in the 15th century.........
What is a Gutenberg Bible? And why is it relevant 500 years after its printing? https://share.google/bOm9IDQWmNu9Xggqd
Was the New Testament Written in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek? https://share.google/ZFxIlZT92EFLjGKL6
Timeline of Bible History – 316 Antique Bibles https://share.google/ZesSXtMzK00ziqbSP
SO SAY YOU in your opinion about the Catholics writing the NEW TESTAMENT in the 7th century / there is some information that should only be trusted by scholars not personal opinions, then you don't believe in God anyway........................................
Why Was New Testament Written in Greek? https://share.google/4bSt1TMPIvNaGcKrt
What Was the Original Language of the Bible? (Old & New Testament) https://share.google/cCggkGPIg8cr3yIxP
What Language Was the Bible Written In? | Bible Gateway News & Knowledge https://share.google/uuYWRJGv8DQ84A8LL
YOU ARE CORRECT to say there are no KNOW original transcripts only copies of the letters Paul wrote.
What is now called the Catholic church in the 4th century comprise / meaning put together / the ALREADY TRANSLATED TO LATIN New Testament and Old Testament into rolls or Scrolls..... The Bibles you are speaking of were produce with a combination of the Old and New Testament weighing anywhere from 60 to 70 lb after the 12th century from already translated works that were written on papayrus, or animal skins - such as the Gutenberg Bible produced in the 15th century.........
What is a Gutenberg Bible? And why is it relevant 500 years after its printing? https://share.google/bOm9IDQWmNu9Xggqd
Was the New Testament Written in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek? https://share.google/ZFxIlZT92EFLjGKL6
Timeline of Bible History – 316 Antique Bibles https://share.google/ZesSXtMzK00ziqbSP
In the context of Acts 11:26, being called Christians in Antioch signified that these followers of Christ were recognized as a distinct group. The term "Christian" implies a direct connection to Christ, rather than being part of a larger sect or group. Instead, it emphasizes our unique identity as followers of Jesus Christ.
In the context of the Bible, Christianity is presented as a distinct faith centered on Jesus Christ, rather than a sect of another religion. Our perspective emphasizes the unique identity and teachings of Christianity, rooted in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Christians do not identify as a religion. Our faith is centered on Christ, not a religion, in that religion did not die on the cross for our sins... the person of Jesus did, and following him is a way of life, not empty religion.
From a Christian perspective, Jesus being a Jew and the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies are seen as part of the narrative of God's plan of salvation. Christians believe Jesus' teachings and his sacrifice on the cross are the core of the Christian faith, rather than a subset or sect of Judaism. Instead, Christianity is seen as a fulfillment of Jewish scripture and prophecy, with its own distinct identity and teachings.
In the context of the Bible, Christianity is presented as a distinct faith centered on Jesus Christ, rather than a sect of another religion. Our perspective emphasizes the unique identity and teachings of Christianity, rooted in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Christians do not identify as a religion. Our faith is centered on Christ, not a religion, in that religion did not die on the cross for our sins... the person of Jesus did, and following him is a way of life, not empty religion.
From a Christian perspective, Jesus being a Jew and the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies are seen as part of the narrative of God's plan of salvation. Christians believe Jesus' teachings and his sacrifice on the cross are the core of the Christian faith, rather than a subset or sect of Judaism. Instead, Christianity is seen as a fulfillment of Jewish scripture and prophecy, with its own distinct identity and teachings.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LadyGrace
How does one follow "Jesus Christ"?
Here again we are confronted with the phenomenon of "Jesus Christ". How does one come upon this phenomenon? Is it not inspired by Judaism?
The person of Jesus and his dying on the cross is an account written by Jews. Do you agree?
The Christian perspective, which is your perspective, is derived from the Old Testament (Judaism's Hebrew Bible) and the New Testament (scripture written, within the context of Judaism, by Jews).
In the context of Acts 11:26, being called Christians in Antioch signified that these followers of Christ were recognized as a distinct group. The term "Christian" implies a direct connection to Christ, rather than being part of a larger sect or group. Instead, it emphasizes our unique identity as followers of Jesus Christ.
How does one follow "Jesus Christ"?
In the context of the Bible, Christianity is presented as a distinct faith centered on Jesus Christ, rather than a sect of another religion. Our perspective emphasizes the unique identity and teachings of Christianity, rooted in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Here again we are confronted with the phenomenon of "Jesus Christ". How does one come upon this phenomenon? Is it not inspired by Judaism?
Christians do not identify as a religion. Our faith is centered on Christ, not a religion, in that religion did not die on the cross for our sins... the person of Jesus did, and following him is a way of life, not empty religion.
The person of Jesus and his dying on the cross is an account written by Jews. Do you agree?
From a Christian perspective, Jesus being a Jew and the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies are seen as part of the narrative of God's plan of salvation. Christians believe Jesus' teachings and his sacrifice on the cross are the core of the Christian faith, rather than a subset or sect of Judaism. Instead, Christianity is seen as a fulfillment of Jewish scripture and prophecy, with its own distinct identity and teachings.
The Christian perspective, which is your perspective, is derived from the Old Testament (Judaism's Hebrew Bible) and the New Testament (scripture written, within the context of Judaism, by Jews).
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
It's a little more complicated than that.
Yeshua bar-Youssef, more popularly known as Jesus, was an itinerant rabbi, raised by members of a now-extinct feminist sect of Judaism. That's why he took personal offense at the idea that they would execute a woman for adultery, but not the man with whom she adulterated. He was also raised with a healthy skepticism toward the idea that authority was to be automatically trusted. All of this, plus the fact that he apparently didn't get along with his siblings, led to his ministry being what it was. An anti-authority message of peace and love and not getting so hung up on all the damn rules. That's why the scribes and Pharisees turned him over to the Roman government. He didn't care for the way they ran things.
As for Paul, he made things even more complicated. He may or may not have been jewish, but he was a Roman first, and he was on a mission from the Roman government to derail this new movement, because the Romans had mistakenly pegged the movement Jesus started as a threat to Roman rule. So he faked his whole conversion on the road to Damascus, just so that he could take over the church. And Paul accomplished his mission beautifully, turning Yeshua's movement into just another sect that oppressed women and sexual minorities, and didn't make way of. As an added bonus, the movement was pretty damn anti-Semitic for being Jewish.
Yeshua bar-Youssef, more popularly known as Jesus, was an itinerant rabbi, raised by members of a now-extinct feminist sect of Judaism. That's why he took personal offense at the idea that they would execute a woman for adultery, but not the man with whom she adulterated. He was also raised with a healthy skepticism toward the idea that authority was to be automatically trusted. All of this, plus the fact that he apparently didn't get along with his siblings, led to his ministry being what it was. An anti-authority message of peace and love and not getting so hung up on all the damn rules. That's why the scribes and Pharisees turned him over to the Roman government. He didn't care for the way they ran things.
As for Paul, he made things even more complicated. He may or may not have been jewish, but he was a Roman first, and he was on a mission from the Roman government to derail this new movement, because the Romans had mistakenly pegged the movement Jesus started as a threat to Roman rule. So he faked his whole conversion on the road to Damascus, just so that he could take over the church. And Paul accomplished his mission beautifully, turning Yeshua's movement into just another sect that oppressed women and sexual minorities, and didn't make way of. As an added bonus, the movement was pretty damn anti-Semitic for being Jewish.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire
Hey, wait a minute. You need to clarify the role of the Roman empire and its intent.
From my reading of the Christian Bible (entirely made up of Jewish scripture), Pontius Pilate washed his hands off the sordid affair initiated against Jesus by the High Priest of Jerusalem. Pontius found nothing incriminating when Jesus said that his kingdom God promised was not of this world. The High Priest and his Jewish following were the ones the Romans were hunting down because their promised land was of this world, the same land that is being fought over by Jews in the Middle East today. Am I wrong?
But hey. This has been fun.
Hey, wait a minute. You need to clarify the role of the Roman empire and its intent.
Which is why I maintain that Paul was following orders from the Roman empire and destroying the movement from within. But I suspect we will always disagree on that point, as there's no evidence either way.
From my reading of the Christian Bible (entirely made up of Jewish scripture), Pontius Pilate washed his hands off the sordid affair initiated against Jesus by the High Priest of Jerusalem. Pontius found nothing incriminating when Jesus said that his kingdom God promised was not of this world. The High Priest and his Jewish following were the ones the Romans were hunting down because their promised land was of this world, the same land that is being fought over by Jews in the Middle East today. Am I wrong?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@sree251
Hey, wait a minute. You need to clarify the role of the Roman empire and its intent.
I think I made it pretty clear. The Roman empire felt that the Christian movement, by which I mean the actual movement Yeshua instituted, was a threat, because he was reported as claiming he was the king of the Jews. Therefore, they felt that the movement needed to be ended by any means necessary.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire
First of all, it was the Jewish establishment that branded the multitude of apostate Jews attracted to Jesus' teaching as insurrectionists against Judea's Roman governor, Pontius Pilate. Those Jews certainly were rebels, not against Roman rule but against Jewish religious authority whose moral teaching on Judaism was questioned by Jesus. This is similar to Netanyahu telling Donald Trump that Muslim resistance is against US presence in the Middle East.
The Romans were a lot more savvy at statecraft than Americans. Pontius Pilate did not order the eradication of Jesus' followers. He even washed his hands off the case brought by Jewish religious authority against Jesus. To get the High Priest of Jerusalem off his back, he granted his request for Jesus crucifixion.
I think I made it pretty clear. The Roman empire felt that the Christian movement, by which I mean the actual movement Yeshua instituted, was a threat, because he was reported as claiming he was the king of the Jews.
First of all, it was the Jewish establishment that branded the multitude of apostate Jews attracted to Jesus' teaching as insurrectionists against Judea's Roman governor, Pontius Pilate. Those Jews certainly were rebels, not against Roman rule but against Jewish religious authority whose moral teaching on Judaism was questioned by Jesus. This is similar to Netanyahu telling Donald Trump that Muslim resistance is against US presence in the Middle East.
Therefore, they felt that the movement needed to be ended by any means necessary.
The Romans were a lot more savvy at statecraft than Americans. Pontius Pilate did not order the eradication of Jesus' followers. He even washed his hands off the case brought by Jewish religious authority against Jesus. To get the High Priest of Jerusalem off his back, he granted his request for Jesus crucifixion.
BlueSkyKing · M
“The next time believers tell you that 'separation of church and state' does not appear in our founding document, tell them to stop using the word 'trinity.' The word 'trinity' appears nowhere in the bible. Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin. If they are still unfazed (or unphrased), by this, then add Omniscience, Omnipresence, Supernatural, Transcendence, Afterlife, Deity, Divinity, Theology, Monotheism, Missionary, Immaculate Conception, Christmas, Christianity, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Methodist, Catholic, Pope, Cardinal, Catechism, Purgatory, Penance, Transubstantiation, Excommunication, Dogma, Chastity, Unpardonable Sin, Infallibility, Inerrancy, Incarnation, Epiphany, Sermon, Eucharist, the Lord's Prayer, Good Friday, Doubting Thomas, Advent, Sunday School, Dead Sea, Golden Rule, Moral, Morality, Ethics, Patriotism, Education, Atheism, Apostasy, Conservative (Liberalism), Capital Punishment, Monogamy, Abortion, Pornography, Homosexual, Lesbian, Fairness, Logic, Republic, Democracy, Capitalism, Funeral, Decalogue, or Bible.”
― Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist
― Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist
BlueSkyKing · M
@hippyjoe1955 No, I think the Bible is fiction.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@BlueSkyKing Which proves??????
sree251 · 41-45, M
@BlueSkyKing
Fiction is any narrative work, portraying individuals, events, or places that are imaginary. In this regard, history is imagined based on received accounts the accuracy of which is irrelevant.
No, I think the Bible is fiction.
Fiction is any narrative work, portraying individuals, events, or places that are imaginary. In this regard, history is imagined based on received accounts the accuracy of which is irrelevant.
RockinPop54 · M
sree251 · 41-45, M
@RockinPop54
Correct. To the Jew, Jesus was just another Jew whom they condemned to death for apostasy.
Correct again. Jesus teaching has nothing to do with Judaism. Christianity, a denomination of Judaism, written by Jews, is informed by Jewish beliefs meant for Jews and followers of Jewish moral beliefs.
Jews don't acknowledge the divinity of Jesus, they are still waiting for the Messiah.
Correct. To the Jew, Jesus was just another Jew whom they condemned to death for apostasy.
They totally ignored the part where it said he was coming as a peacemaker first, then as the warrior upon his return.
To them their Messiah is a warrior ONLY.
To them their Messiah is a warrior ONLY.
Correct again. Jesus teaching has nothing to do with Judaism. Christianity, a denomination of Judaism, written by Jews, is informed by Jewish beliefs meant for Jews and followers of Jewish moral beliefs.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251=
Of course Christianity is a Jewish sect and so is Islam. They just have a few different rituals, per the Tenth Commandment =
Exodus 34:26 (ERV) ...“Never cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
That's why Christian men don't have to get circumcised.
Is Christianity a Jewish sect?
Of course Christianity is a Jewish sect and so is Islam. They just have a few different rituals, per the Tenth Commandment =
Exodus 34:26 (ERV) ...“Never cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
That's why Christian men don't have to get circumcised.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes
What does this mean?
Exodus 34:26 (ERV) ...“Never cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
What does this mean?
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
Not necessarily.
Judaism can be converted to, but it's quite difficult, especially Orthodox Judaism.
Traditionally it's an ethnoreligion.
Gentiles are allowed to practice Christianity.
Judaism can be converted to, but it's quite difficult, especially Orthodox Judaism.
Traditionally it's an ethnoreligion.
Gentiles are allowed to practice Christianity.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
Judaism is not Christianity and Christianity is not Judaism. In fact proper Judaism doesn't exist any more. They need a temple and a priesthood to offer animal sacrifices. They don't have that. Yes Christianity sprang from the base idea behind Judaism (faith in God) and corrected the many errors in Judaism (works of man).
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PatientlyWaiting25 · 46-50, F
Christianity is the fulfilment of the Jewish religion. Jesus fulfilled what was foretold would happen right down to where he would be born and how he would die and why.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@PatientlyWaiting25
This is what the Jews teach. By Jews, I mean those who contributed to the writing of the Christian Bible - made up of Jewish scriptural writings - that is the basis of Christianity. In other words, Christianity is a denomination of Judaism.
Christianity is the fulfilment of the Jewish religion.[/quote
Ok, You agree that Christianity is an integral part of Judaism.
[quote] Jesus fulfilled what was foretold would happen right down to where he would be born and how he would die and why.
Ok, You agree that Christianity is an integral part of Judaism.
[quote] Jesus fulfilled what was foretold would happen right down to where he would be born and how he would die and why.
This is what the Jews teach. By Jews, I mean those who contributed to the writing of the Christian Bible - made up of Jewish scriptural writings - that is the basis of Christianity. In other words, Christianity is a denomination of Judaism.
Cloud7593 · 46-50, F
Christianity came from Judaism but it's not a sect.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Cloud7593
Of course it's a sect because it worships the same characters and fairytale. The big difference is that Christians turned it into a business.
Christianity came from Judaism but it's not a sect.
Of course it's a sect because it worships the same characters and fairytale. The big difference is that Christians turned it into a business.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes
Both Christians and Jews do worship the same God and share the same fairytale. Apart from the Catholics who revere the Virgin Mary and patron saints, other Christian sects pay no heed to characters of Judaism.
The Roman Catholic Church takes the cake when it comes to being a big business. Wikipedia says it has its own bank and its wealth is incalculable. It is a force to be reckoned with even by the US. The Vatican's global reach is more formidable than Uncle Sam's and dwarfs the effectiveness of America's web of military bases keeping tabs on the planet.
Of course it's a sect because it worships the same characters and fairytale.
Both Christians and Jews do worship the same God and share the same fairytale. Apart from the Catholics who revere the Virgin Mary and patron saints, other Christian sects pay no heed to characters of Judaism.
The big difference is that Christians turned it into a business.
The Roman Catholic Church takes the cake when it comes to being a big business. Wikipedia says it has its own bank and its wealth is incalculable. It is a force to be reckoned with even by the US. The Vatican's global reach is more formidable than Uncle Sam's and dwarfs the effectiveness of America's web of military bases keeping tabs on the planet.
val70 · 51-55
Nope, remember the New Covenant? That's certainly not Jewish nor for only Jews
sree251 · 41-45, M
@val70
Of course, Christianity - like Islam - is indeed a Jewish sect. It is based on the same Hebrew scripture. Those sects split further into Jewish subsects such as Catholicism, Anglicans, Luterans etc.; and in the case of Islam there are the Sunnis and the Shias. All of them come from the same spring of Judaism. Compare them all to the spiritualism of the East and you see a total departure from the Hebrew concept of morality.
I do hope that you don't mean that Christians were a Jewish sect
Of course, Christianity - like Islam - is indeed a Jewish sect. It is based on the same Hebrew scripture. Those sects split further into Jewish subsects such as Catholicism, Anglicans, Luterans etc.; and in the case of Islam there are the Sunnis and the Shias. All of them come from the same spring of Judaism. Compare them all to the spiritualism of the East and you see a total departure from the Hebrew concept of morality.
