Is the teaching of Jesus the teaching of Judaism?
All the disciples of Jesus were Jews. The Old Testament is taken from the Hebrew Bible. The New Testament is based mainly on Paul's writings, and Paul was a Jew. Is Christianity a Jewish sect?
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
It's a little more complicated than that.
Yeshua bar-Youssef, more popularly known as Jesus, was an itinerant rabbi, raised by members of a now-extinct feminist sect of Judaism. That's why he took personal offense at the idea that they would execute a woman for adultery, but not the man with whom she adulterated. He was also raised with a healthy skepticism toward the idea that authority was to be automatically trusted. All of this, plus the fact that he apparently didn't get along with his siblings, led to his ministry being what it was. An anti-authority message of peace and love and not getting so hung up on all the damn rules. That's why the scribes and Pharisees turned him over to the Roman government. He didn't care for the way they ran things.
As for Paul, he made things even more complicated. He may or may not have been jewish, but he was a Roman first, and he was on a mission from the Roman government to derail this new movement, because the Romans had mistakenly pegged the movement Jesus started as a threat to Roman rule. So he faked his whole conversion on the road to Damascus, just so that he could take over the church. And Paul accomplished his mission beautifully, turning Yeshua's movement into just another sect that oppressed women and sexual minorities, and didn't make way of. As an added bonus, the movement was pretty damn anti-Semitic for being Jewish.
Yeshua bar-Youssef, more popularly known as Jesus, was an itinerant rabbi, raised by members of a now-extinct feminist sect of Judaism. That's why he took personal offense at the idea that they would execute a woman for adultery, but not the man with whom she adulterated. He was also raised with a healthy skepticism toward the idea that authority was to be automatically trusted. All of this, plus the fact that he apparently didn't get along with his siblings, led to his ministry being what it was. An anti-authority message of peace and love and not getting so hung up on all the damn rules. That's why the scribes and Pharisees turned him over to the Roman government. He didn't care for the way they ran things.
As for Paul, he made things even more complicated. He may or may not have been jewish, but he was a Roman first, and he was on a mission from the Roman government to derail this new movement, because the Romans had mistakenly pegged the movement Jesus started as a threat to Roman rule. So he faked his whole conversion on the road to Damascus, just so that he could take over the church. And Paul accomplished his mission beautifully, turning Yeshua's movement into just another sect that oppressed women and sexual minorities, and didn't make way of. As an added bonus, the movement was pretty damn anti-Semitic for being Jewish.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire
I maintain that Jesus neither started nor had a movement. Christianity evolved from a movement started by Jews: those who wrote the Gospels, and Paul's writings that provided the framework for the belief system of what evolved into the Nicene creed of Christianity.
What is the basis of your claim that Christianity is anti-semitic? At any rate, Christianity is the teaching of Paul and not the teaching of Jesus depicted as a Jewish rabbi, as you pointed out.
And Paul accomplished his mission beautifully, turning Yeshua's movement into just another sect that oppressed women and sexual minorities, and didn't make way of.
I maintain that Jesus neither started nor had a movement. Christianity evolved from a movement started by Jews: those who wrote the Gospels, and Paul's writings that provided the framework for the belief system of what evolved into the Nicene creed of Christianity.
As an added bonus, the movement was pretty damn anti-Semitic for being Jewish.
What is the basis of your claim that Christianity is anti-semitic? At any rate, Christianity is the teaching of Paul and not the teaching of Jesus depicted as a Jewish rabbi, as you pointed out.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@sree251
I maintain that Jesus neither started nor had a movement. Christianity evolved from a movement started by Jews: those who wrote the Gospels, and Paul's writings that provided the framework for the belief system of what evolved into the Nicene creed of Christianity.
Well, you're certainly entitled to your own hypothesis. That's the fun part. What is the basis of your claim that Christianity is anti-semitic?
They literally blame the Jews for him dying.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire
A hypothesis is an assumption, an idea that is proposed for the sake of argument so that it can be tested to see if it might be true. I am presenting the idea that Christianity is a Jewish theology invented by Jews for non-Jews. This particular Jewish theology, that has entrapped the gentiles, was spun by Pharisees. Is this true or not?
The focus of the Jesus story was not the assigning of blame, which stems from Judaism, and the exacting of vengeance (an eye for an eye).
Well, you're certainly entitled to your own hypothesis. That's the fun part.
A hypothesis is an assumption, an idea that is proposed for the sake of argument so that it can be tested to see if it might be true. I am presenting the idea that Christianity is a Jewish theology invented by Jews for non-Jews. This particular Jewish theology, that has entrapped the gentiles, was spun by Pharisees. Is this true or not?
They literally blame the Jews for him dying.
The focus of the Jesus story was not the assigning of blame, which stems from Judaism, and the exacting of vengeance (an eye for an eye).
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@sree251
A hypothesis is an assumption, an idea that is proposed for the sake of argument so that it can be tested to see if it might be true.
Good. I was afraid I wasn't using it right. I am presenting the idea that Christianity is a Jewish theology invented by Jews for non-Jews.
I think you need to read the Bible again. Because the main point of the parts Paul wrote seems to be that everybody gets a reprieve from punishment because Jesus chose to be the whipping boy. But at the same time, it's pretty clear in the writings of Paul and the other apostles that the Jews are to blame for Jesus being put in that position in the first place. And again, in the gospels, Jesus speaks pretty harshly to the Jewish leaders of his day. So I really don't see how it could be a Jewish message. That's like saying a typical post of mine in the Religion section is a Christian message, because I address Christians.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire
Paul, a Jew, was the teller of the story of Jesus. Paul lived as a Pharisee and participated in the persecution and killing of the early disciples of Jesus. As a matter of fact, it is his teaching - not Jesus' - that Christians are practicing. Paul told a tall story about Jesus. He was the father of the false flag. He was the actual source from which Christian spirituality is obtained, an intentional misrepresentation of good by evil.
The entire Jesus story is a piece of Jewish work. We are in agreement on that, right? As for joining the dots, it's a head spinner. We have more pressing "Jesus' stories" to grapple with these days. They won't go away even if the US Government were to release, without redaction, all the files about JFK, 9/11, and the mind-boggling foreign policy moves of the Trump Administration.
No comment. I have not been following your exploits in the Religion section.
I think you need to read the Bible again. Because the main point of the parts Paul wrote seems to be that everybody gets a reprieve from punishment because Jesus chose to be the whipping boy.
Paul, a Jew, was the teller of the story of Jesus. Paul lived as a Pharisee and participated in the persecution and killing of the early disciples of Jesus. As a matter of fact, it is his teaching - not Jesus' - that Christians are practicing. Paul told a tall story about Jesus. He was the father of the false flag. He was the actual source from which Christian spirituality is obtained, an intentional misrepresentation of good by evil.
But at the same time, it's pretty clear in the writings of Paul and the other apostles that the Jews are to blame for Jesus being put in that position in the first place. And again, in the gospels, Jesus speaks pretty harshly to the Jewish leaders of his day. So I really don't see how it could be a Jewish message.
The entire Jesus story is a piece of Jewish work. We are in agreement on that, right? As for joining the dots, it's a head spinner. We have more pressing "Jesus' stories" to grapple with these days. They won't go away even if the US Government were to release, without redaction, all the files about JFK, 9/11, and the mind-boggling foreign policy moves of the Trump Administration.
That's like saying a typical post of mine in the Religion section is a Christian message, because I address Christians.
No comment. I have not been following your exploits in the Religion section.