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BlueVeins · 22-25
In reality -- no, I think he was probably a repressed quack.
In Christian lore -- Also no, Jesus was half man and therefore should be capable of sin. The abstemiousness of Jesus is a major focus of at least one Bible story; I think the message is that he's just too much of a chad to give in to temptation. Homeboi avoids fantasizing about rearranging Mary Magdalene's organs out of sheer force of will.
In Christian lore -- Also no, Jesus was half man and therefore should be capable of sin. The abstemiousness of Jesus is a major focus of at least one Bible story; I think the message is that he's just too much of a chad to give in to temptation. Homeboi avoids fantasizing about rearranging Mary Magdalene's organs out of sheer force of will.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@Thinkerbell You're assuming that those quotes were actually spoken by Jesus while he was alive, and not placed in his mouth by the gospel writers who recorded them between 30 and 80 years later - [i]after[/i] Pauline Christianity had taken root. We'll never know what Jesus actually said and what was added later. The Jesus Seminar attempted to resolve this but I wouldn't take their conclusions as definitive as their use of weighted averages for voting is problematic.
The fact that Paul's version was simpler and easier to spread speaks to its popularity, not its accuracy. By severing Christianity from its Jewish roots, Paul set the stage for 2000 years of Jewish persecution in spite of the fact that Jesus himself was Jewish. He also irreparably damaged Christianity by making it more about personal salvation than the service to others that Jesus emphasized.
The fact that Paul's version was simpler and easier to spread speaks to its popularity, not its accuracy. By severing Christianity from its Jewish roots, Paul set the stage for 2000 years of Jewish persecution in spite of the fact that Jesus himself was Jewish. He also irreparably damaged Christianity by making it more about personal salvation than the service to others that Jesus emphasized.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@LeopoldBloom
[quote]"You're assuming that those quotes were actually spoken by Jesus while he was alive..."[/quote]
No, I'm not. Read my last sentence above.
[quote]"Now you might argue that these were later interpolations, but I rather doubt that it was Paul who invented them, if such they were."[/quote]
The Marcan gospel is associated with Peter, and in its oral tradition (which preceded Paul) would already have identified Jesus with the suffering servant of Isaiah.
[quote]"The fact that Paul's version was simpler and easier to spread speaks to its popularity, not its accuracy."[/quote]
Paul's version was simpler and more effective than the mumbo-jumbo tacked on by the Gnostics because it was an application of Occam's razor, long before Occam ever lived.
[quote]"By severing Christianity from its Jewish roots, Paul set the stage for 2000 years of Jewish persecution in spite of the fact that Jesus himself was Jewish."[/quote]
The 2000 years preceding Paul hadn't gone too well either, what with persecutions by Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans...
[quote]"He also irreparably damaged Christianity by making it more about personal salvation than the service to others that Jesus emphasized."[/quote]
Christianity would have died out entirely if he hadn't. The James version wasn't accepted by mainstream Judaism, and it certainly wouldn't have spread in that form elsewhere.
[quote]"You're assuming that those quotes were actually spoken by Jesus while he was alive..."[/quote]
No, I'm not. Read my last sentence above.
[quote]"Now you might argue that these were later interpolations, but I rather doubt that it was Paul who invented them, if such they were."[/quote]
The Marcan gospel is associated with Peter, and in its oral tradition (which preceded Paul) would already have identified Jesus with the suffering servant of Isaiah.
[quote]"The fact that Paul's version was simpler and easier to spread speaks to its popularity, not its accuracy."[/quote]
Paul's version was simpler and more effective than the mumbo-jumbo tacked on by the Gnostics because it was an application of Occam's razor, long before Occam ever lived.
[quote]"By severing Christianity from its Jewish roots, Paul set the stage for 2000 years of Jewish persecution in spite of the fact that Jesus himself was Jewish."[/quote]
The 2000 years preceding Paul hadn't gone too well either, what with persecutions by Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans...
[quote]"He also irreparably damaged Christianity by making it more about personal salvation than the service to others that Jesus emphasized."[/quote]
Christianity would have died out entirely if he hadn't. The James version wasn't accepted by mainstream Judaism, and it certainly wouldn't have spread in that form elsewhere.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Sharon
[quote]It's not credible that anyone could go around doing all the things it is claimed he did without anyone bothering to make a note of it.[/quote]
Consider that He was in a backwater area (Galilee) of a backwater of the Ran Empire (Judea), and did very little in Jerusalem...which was an occupied city far from Rome.
Most people's lives were unrecorded until the Internet--and examination of it's tedious record will show why that's not the worst thing that ever happened.
Most of what He did could be dismissed at the time as tall tales of a backwards people, if they rose to consideration by persons of note to Rome.
And considering low levels of literacy, and wars, etc., it's not surprising that very little would be recorded of Him, and that what few corroborating notes might have existed could have perished. Many ancient texts have been recovered from Egyptian dumps...
But Ireaneus heard Polycarp, who knew/learned from/was made bishop by John. That's a clear line back to Jesus.
[quote]It's not credible that anyone could go around doing all the things it is claimed he did without anyone bothering to make a note of it.[/quote]
Consider that He was in a backwater area (Galilee) of a backwater of the Ran Empire (Judea), and did very little in Jerusalem...which was an occupied city far from Rome.
Most people's lives were unrecorded until the Internet--and examination of it's tedious record will show why that's not the worst thing that ever happened.
Most of what He did could be dismissed at the time as tall tales of a backwards people, if they rose to consideration by persons of note to Rome.
And considering low levels of literacy, and wars, etc., it's not surprising that very little would be recorded of Him, and that what few corroborating notes might have existed could have perished. Many ancient texts have been recovered from Egyptian dumps...
But Ireaneus heard Polycarp, who knew/learned from/was made bishop by John. That's a clear line back to Jesus.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
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smiler2012 · 56-60
{@pikachu] 😆 bit of a strange comment but no he was too busy on more important things to serve others and pass on his fathers word to think about getting his end away
smiler2012 · 56-60
@Pikachu think his vocation rather pre occupied him 😆
Vin53 · M
Goddamitt STOP!!!!! All of you, christ, there's no bliss in your inevitable demise, its simply no longer the entity that was once you. Its it, done. Deal.
LordShadowfire · 100+, M
@Vin53 [media=https://youtu.be/BLikP6BDH5w]
LeopoldBloom · M
The person or people the Jesus character was based on probably weren’t, but sexuality isn’t part of the character’s persona. The writers wanted to emphasize other aspects.
eMortal · M
He didn’t concern himself with worldly pleasures like sex. 😅
Carazaa · F
Jesus was tempted like all of us because he took on a human body, but he did not sin.
CopperCicada · M
I believe he had a wife and family.
It’s the only way it all makes sense.
It’s the only way it all makes sense.
No, I do not. His wife would not have stood for it.
Viper · M
Some claim he got married and had a kid...
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
If I can live without sex he could also.
SW-User
Hell no, he had all the ladies