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you can not be obese and healthy at the same time

sorry to break it to you all but facts are facts.
Glorifying obesity, this is the world we live in today with certain people.
Why do people struggle to acknowledge reality now and instead act as if their feelings is all that matter and those trump every thing else. It doesnt and if people actually cared for obese people, they would not glorify it and encourage it.

but hey, if you wanna end up in a early grave, keep shoveling in junk food day in and day out and not exercise at all. Its your life
I think this is a short sighted approach. The idea that women can be beautiful at any size is essentially trying to challenge the dominate narrative. And women who starve themselves or purge to achieve a socially desired body type aren’t healthy either but do we ever call that out the same way?
And the thing about looking at a body from the outside is you don’t get the whole picture. I’ve been on life saving medication that caused me to balloon out to a weight I’d never been. And I can tell you during that time I didn’t give a shit how fat I looked.
So really how can I assume that a person with a body that fits the current social ascetic isn’t going to drop dead of a heart attack tomorrow. Truth is there are no guarantees.
Weight is more complex than that. And so is assuming a person who is overweight sits around eating junk food all day.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Notladylike fair enough but i still dont agree with that. As far as i am concerned you cant control whom you are attracted to and society does not determine that
@Torsten You don’t have to. Just know I could tell you about all the reasons I know I’m right on this 😂.
And no this is not about what you find attractive of course I can’t assume what that is.
But what drives attraction?
Given the right environment and variables you’d stick it in anyone lol
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Notladylike chemical reactions in the brain is what drives attraction.
nah I wouldnt "stick it in anyone" given the right environment haha. I may have low standards but not that low 😆
SarahTheHooker · 26-30, F
Very negative thoughts there, hun....

Look at those that compete in 'The World's Strongest Man' competitions; they're, in some parts, reaching the best part of 30 stone in weight (around 190kg) and yet they appear in health competitions. Far from being ideal weight.

The whole narrative of girls, especially, being skinny is a complete fallacy, forced upon us by the media. Some 300 years ago, girls of size 14 onwards were seen as 'the ideal'.

Same with boys - the media pushes this whole body dysmorphia thing on them when they feel that they have to be big, have to be strong to compete in the world - get the best job, get the girl etc.

It's sad. Ironically, it's the pursuit of this so called 'ideal body' that is unhealthy.

As long as people feel well, are able to complete the tasks that they need to do throughout the day, do we really need to care? No.

Just my thoughts..

Sarah 💋
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@SarahTheHooker ok, it says it was originally used as a standard for the weight of wool. Having spent many early springs stomping wool down into a tall burlap bag as a small child i can imagine it. The bag was hung on big nails on a makeshift ladder going into the haymow of the barn. No idea how i managed not breaking my neck but maybe that was the hope and i was too nimble to satisfy their wishes. It was fun though. Like jumping on a mattress.
acpguy · C
@SarahTheHooker UK people are for the most part brick brains.
acpguy · C
@acpguy I also forgot...................fat and ugly along with guys who pretend to be women on here.
FragileHeart · 22-25, M
Obesity is not glorified these days but a dominant narrative is being challenged that tells people (especially women) that they need to be skinny in order to be considered pretty or even desirable. I also want to remind you that beauty standards have been the complete opposite during the epoch of Baroque when obese women where seen as beautiful and wealthy.

Feelings matter and self worth matters. Shaming people for their bodies is despicable and leads to serious mental health issues. Also being overweight is not the same as being unhealthy. My ex boyfriend was overweight and very healthy at the same time. Weight is influenced by many different variables and not only tied to someones diet. Sure being overweight can be the cause of health issues but that's for a doctor and the indivdual to assess.

Also junk food is fast and cheap. People who work hard and maybe even multiple jobs don't have time and might not even the money for healthy alternatives.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@FragileHeart not talking about beauty here though, Just purely talking about obesity and it not being healthy.

Never shamed anybodies body. Just pointed out what people try denying now and that is obesity is not healthy. Not talking being overweight here. Obesity is a whole other thing

the junk food was me talking shit. But you make a valid point. Its fast and cheap and very convenient but that doesnt mean you should eat it all the time.
you can buy cheap low fat food also if you actually look for it
Funlov · M
@FragileHeart it’s up to them not fast food place it comes down to just being lazy
helsbels · 26-30, F
I get where you are coming from but I think you are seeing things too black and white. It's a small distinction but 'you are not worthless/unattractive/unlovable etc 'because' you are fat' is not the same as 'celebrating obesity' or saying 'it is [i]good[/i] to be fat'.

I am obese and I know when some people hear that word they think 'greedy', 'lazy' or picture something very different. I have heard friends and colleagues say things like you have and never even considered what I might feel about it.

There ARE times that I'd agree where it seems like it is being flaunted or even exploited but like many things it is not 'all or nothing', us fat people deserve our humanity and respect as much as the next person. I suppose you'll say you don't disagree with that, you're just saying it isn't healthy and maybe I'm just over sensitive to it but I don't know, I suppose I'm saying 'obese people' are more than our weight. Yeah it's unhealthy (so are a lot of things) but me just 'exisiting' isn't promoting anything. I'm writing this late and I'm tired, does it make sense? 🤣

helsbels · 26-30, F
@DIABLISS Well that's a generalisation that may be true for some but 'the obese' are not a one size fits all category.
@helsbels ...and of course i was trying to be kind and understanding and speaking from a personal side of it and you tell me that this is a generalization. No it isn't. that described most obese people. yes, some have a medical problem that gets out of control but there is still no reason to stay over weight. I lost 31 lbs this past year and i was skinny until 25 years ago from illness and accidents. Then i said, "well, hell with this sh1t!" And i did everything imaginable to lose it....and now in May i am going for it again after maintaining that weight. i hope to be in the normal category very soon.
helsbels · 26-30, F
@DIABLISS Ok, good for you. Sincerely.
OverTheHill · 56-60, M
I didn't give a rip about my health for far too long in my life. I had been obese for most of my adult life. What did it do for me? I became an insulin dependent diabetic.

Well after my parents died and my brother lost weight and encouraged me to do the same got me thinking. I can either keep getting fat and eat whatever I want and keep being a couch potato, which will lead to complications from diabetes that include losing toes, going blind, etc, or change my life.

Since September of 2021, I have lost nearly 2,000 pounds. I exercise and eat healthy. I will always be a diabetic, but it is now under control.

You are right in what you are saying, but until a person makes up their mind to change, things won't change.
Freeranger · M
Oh hell Torsten, I dunno. I get what you're saying buddy but......[i]this[/i] bleddy Norwegian buggah seems to be enjoying himself...
[image deleted]Clearly, this boy's a stud...his nautical muscle leaves him a stallion....ha, ha.
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Torsten · 36-40, M
@Freeranger can you count that as obese though?
Freeranger · M
@Torsten Ah, my friend......here lies the rub. I have no defense. I surrender to Norsk reason. 😄
Keep posting man, I enjoy your reasoning.

The hilarious bit bud? Crap loads of aramous women here who think they know the male anatomy have dropped their eye curlers and are now studying Anatomy 101 quite closely....ha, ha....
SW-User
yeah, but apparently it's soo difficult for people to understand that being slim generally means you'll be more healthy and more attractive

people just want to distort what is normally true. They want their subjective experiences to be everyone's reality
FragileHeart · 22-25, M
@SW-User Calling me a troll? Can't you be a little more creative.
I mean you are the one incapable of arguing and resorting to toddler tactics.
SW-User
Torsten · 36-40, M
@SW-User thats it. people who try denying this just ignore all evidence proving it and live in a fantasy world because feelings are the only thing that matters. Feelings wont cure heart failure and all other things at a incredibly high risk of getting when obese though
scrood · 31-35
And WE PAY FOR IT when they get free health care and surgeries, these obese illegals crowding out the ER and then the White patient waits five hours and gets slapped with a $30,000 bill for ER visit, AND pays for the illegals via taxes
SW-User
Yeah obesity isn't healthy, but isn't that being skinny or fit will be your life insurance... As humans we regardless develop health problems and mostly I think it's the genetics that play a key role, about how sick we get...
acpguy · C
Great post. You struck a nerve that is affecting many idiots that cannot handle the truth. 👍🙂
Torsten · 36-40, M
@acpguy you wouldnt think saying something so obvious and is common knowledge that it would upset so many people haha
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
There are so many things to "worry" about. The entire hierarchy of needs and so little time to fulfill them. Then there's the whole genetic predisposition for weight gain, aging, the economy,climate, and advertizing...
Yes, i have a hampster wheel to trot around on in the winter but I'd rather sleep in. To reduce my caloric intake I'm donating my home made cinnamon rolls to chester, the wild rabbit that comes up to the house each night in search of food. He's looking quite happy.
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
🤣🤣🤣🤣
A man with an opinion on other people's bodies. Imagine that!
Torsten · 36-40, M
@DearAmbellina2113 everyone has opinions on others bodies. dont try and deny it
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Tastyfrzz disgusting fruit. Give me more sugar
MonaReeves86 · 36-40, F
Sumo wrestlers are obese but they work out as well they have fat and muscle they are healthy
acpguy · C
@MonaReeves86 Most of the people I have seen in fast food places when I have stopped in for coffee are obese or pimple faced snowflakes with no muscle mass but have bellies. Not only that but the fat asses going through the drive thru's are obese so much so it is difficult for them to get in and out of their cars and to lazy to walk in. So your idea that they are not obese you are wrong except possibly the children that are doomed to become obese that are brought in by their already obese parents.
acpguy · C
@MonaReeves86 Skinny does not mean being underweight nor unhealthy as some folks have a very high metabolism and process foods faster as they are healthy and most likely work hard or exercise a lot unlike the fat asses that do not. I weigh 180 lb. and 6'4" tall which is considered under the norm and I have stayed at this weight since I was 16 yr.s old and still weigh the same at 70 yr. I played football, track and baseball when young and in my 20's to 35 ran 6 miles three times per week. I also have watched what I eat and never eat processed foods (fast food). My wife is 5'6" runs 3 -4 miles 3 times per week still at 65, she used to run cross country and marathons when younger and held state records in high school. She weighs 130 lb. about 5 lb. more than her high school years.
@Torsten i hated being skinny. it was like that defined me. everyone assumed i was an anorexic model.
You cannot be wage workers and free. Work is causing obesity.
Jack4054 · M
If you're going to be fat you might as well be sassy.
Funlov · M
That’s right you can’t but can’t change lazy
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

Resistance is futile.
@Tastyfrzz i'd rather have the bottle of chianti
MonaReeves86 · 36-40, F
Some people just can’t lose weight even if they are less and exercised more it’s just impossible there’s such thing as medication and then there’s hormones that make it impossible to lose weight like pcos or they get pregnant so they and they can’t lose weight because they are busy being a full time parent
Torsten · 36-40, M
@MonaReeves86 ok but still doesnt make them healthy
acpguy · C
@MonaReeves86 Sorry but 90% of the time that statement is BULLSHIT, very few people are predisposed to to become fat / overweight. Even those with child diabetics can control their weight and it is best they do.
Well, at least we still agree on this.

It's a pity you have no clue how pandemics work, though.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@LordShadowfire actually you are dealing with opinions. You believe whatever you're told and if hearing others think different upsets you this much. Good riddance. I am not here to cater to you and stop talking about things you dont want to hear.
Block me again if you dont like it or dont join in conversations if you cant handle such things
Torsten · 36-40, M
@DIABLISS no I think it is a more of a extreme version of the flu that eventually will be thought of just as another case of the flu.
The death numbers i dont believe. I think its fear mongering to get people to be pumped full of "vaccine" after "vaccine".
never once claimed people did not die from it but I also do not believe those numbers because it was often reported that people died with covid and had underlining health issues.
For example if a person dies from old age but had covid, it would just be counted towards a covid death and not death from old age.
@Torsten NO, THEY WERE SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVE UNDERLYING HEALTH PROBLEMS THEN YOU ARE MOR LIKELY TO DIE FROM COVID
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