I Don't Believe Soldiers Are Heroes
Soldiers are the least interesting serial killers. If you're about to lose your dignity by killing someone, at least make it impressive.
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I think you are confusing three completely different entities. Soldiers protect, defend, and offer military assistance in a time of war. Serial killers murder people for the sick joy and perceived control over life and death. Mercenaries are hired to specifically kill people.
As for countries who force people to serve...that is a risky and not always positive use of their people. Some may resent their service and, therefore, act in a more self-serving or inappropriate way. This was experienced by the US and is one of the many reasons our citizens are no longer drafted into the military.
There are always going to be problems in any branch of the military.
Just my two cents.
As for countries who force people to serve...that is a risky and not always positive use of their people. Some may resent their service and, therefore, act in a more self-serving or inappropriate way. This was experienced by the US and is one of the many reasons our citizens are no longer drafted into the military.
There are always going to be problems in any branch of the military.
Just my two cents.
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@uniglow My perception of a serial killer is one who kills and continues to kill for the sheer joy of the act and power they receive from it. Those professions you mentioned do not choose those professions just to murder someone. Just as a soldier does not (NORMALLY) choose to serve just to kill people.
uniglow · 36-40, M
@Pinkstarburst I think the word "serial killer" has such a negative connotation and thus this sounds like a criticism of soldiers. And I do agree with you that there's an emotional reaction which runs counter to a coldly logical one. Hopefully there's room for both reactions and for both sides to understand the other.
uniglow · 36-40, M
@Pinkstarburst I think that's it, yes. The term serial killer strictly means people who kill more than once, but we have chosen a sub-group to define and represent the supergroup. My first instinct about the term serial killer is the same as yours, by the way, but this question made me think about it more.
aupairgirl · 22-25, F
@Miram I love you too. 🖤😘
Miram · 31-35, F
Some of them, yes. Some join by choice, give up their humanity for the sake of nationalism..Murder others in foreign lands for natural resources and call it defense.
People don't realize that there are criminals in armies, rapists, child molesters..Just like there are criminal doctors and nurses. They glorify professions. And I think that's because they desperately need to feel righteous for voting for monsters that have no problem giving orders to soldiers and slaughter everyday normal people just like them.
They need to dehumanize the other side completely.
Others are good men and women, forced into extreme circumstances. And had to make tough calls in order to save their own lives.
People don't realize that there are criminals in armies, rapists, child molesters..Just like there are criminal doctors and nurses. They glorify professions. And I think that's because they desperately need to feel righteous for voting for monsters that have no problem giving orders to soldiers and slaughter everyday normal people just like them.
They need to dehumanize the other side completely.
Others are good men and women, forced into extreme circumstances. And had to make tough calls in order to save their own lives.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Miram I'm glad you have survived such thing and I hope this will come to an end somehow. I hate war and military provocations, even if I never had to face them myself I have been educated about them. If only every soldier realized that they have a lot more in common with the ones that they are attacking than with those who command them!
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
I'm all for self defense but I feel deep down that at least 70 percent of wars can be prevented. I wonder why people think the motives are always because of invaders and I also wonder why people think we are not capable of war crimes like other countries as well:
[b]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes[/b]
There are decent soldiers but I also don't like the one sidedness to it, not all wars are because of self defense 🤷♀️
[b]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes[/b]
There are decent soldiers but I also don't like the one sidedness to it, not all wars are because of self defense 🤷♀️
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@SatanBurger I definitely agree, most wars are about money and greed, but I don’t agree with blaming the soldiers and likening them to serial killers. Most of them signed up honestly believing they would be protecting their countrymen and saving lives and doing good in the world.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
PlumBerries · 31-35, F
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@PlumBerries is it really more disrespectful than invading other countries? And more disrespectful than killing people in the name of money? In some of my replies I clarified I'm talking about the paid soldiers. My mistake I didn't do it from the start.
@KellyLancaster greek people weren't sitting with their arms crossed when the fascists and the nazis came either. I'm not talking about the people who have to kill because the invader is in front of their door.
@KellyLancaster greek people weren't sitting with their arms crossed when the fascists and the nazis came either. I'm not talking about the people who have to kill because the invader is in front of their door.
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brian29715 · 46-50, M
gummybears · F
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@gummybears see, that's the point. If your soldier kills, they're a hero, if another soldier kills your soldier, they are a monster. So why tell somebody what they have to be grateful for? What if I'm not grateful at all that people have to kill and get killed?
gummybears · F
@HannibalAteMeOut they are not monsters
They are our heroes and I’m grateful
They are our heroes and I’m grateful
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@gummybears I said that the ones who kill your heroes are monsters. Similarly, your heroes are monsters to somebody else.
Sunshine04 · F
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Sunshine04 my point exactly! Thanks for saying that.
4thdimensiondream · 61-69, M
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@4thdimensiondream maybe I should have said I'm talking about professional soldiers, those who get paid for it. I know some people do not have choice still to this day.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
It is a healthy discussion to always reevaluate the role of armies and what is ethical. I believe in the honour of our armed forces but I also must always understand that they are killers and people with human weakness. We should never be so patriotic or admiring of any institution that we cannot question their role. In my view.
@JimboSaturn Also agree. Hoping we, as a world, can move past it. ☮️
SW-User
@JimboSaturn A necessary evil
It’s hard for us Americans to see our soldiers like this. To us, they are our warriors defending us against tyranny but I’m also not blind enough to think all soldiers in the world are like that. Our soldiers are governed by very strict guidelines and codes but in some places the soldiers are little more than terrorists and criminals doing horrific things. Please understand that when a person here argues, it’s from their own perspective. We only know what we have experienced and many of us consider our warriors to be heroes. What’s the difference between a warrior and a solder you might ask?
“A Warrior knows that the ends do not justify the means. Because there are no ends, there are only means...”
— Paulo Coelho (Warrior of the Light)
“A Warrior knows that the ends do not justify the means. Because there are no ends, there are only means...”
— Paulo Coelho (Warrior of the Light)
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@DarkHeaven I do try to understand, but as someone who tries to think outside of borders and countries, in the end it makes no sense to consider somebody else's hero as an enemy who had to get killed by your own heroes.
Thanks for offering a different perspective as well!
Thanks for offering a different perspective as well!
@HannibalAteMeOut ☮️
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@CountScrofula I know you're right about this but still I cannot grasp what kind of financial need a person must be in and what kind of propaganda has gone into their brains in order to believe they have every right to go kill someone.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@HannibalAteMeOut The kind of propaganda most people absorb. The idea that you need to fight for your country is kind of baked into the idea of a country and people have been killing others for these stupid ideas since the dawn of civilization. The system is set up so that this idea makes sense and seems ethical.
And so the targets must be those who manipulate and control that system.
And so the targets must be those who manipulate and control that system.
DraytonSawyer · M
DraytonSawyer · M
@HannibalAteMeOut News flash: soldiers are THOSE.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@DraytonSawyer you are in no position to tell me who is getting sacrificed for my well being and my freedom. I could be from Switzerland for all you know
DraytonSawyer · M
@HannibalAteMeOut I really don't care where you are from. Unless you were/are a fan of the Axis powers of WW2, you can thank a VETERAN SOLDIER for your freedoms that you enjoy today.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
uniglow · 36-40, M
@JaggedLittlePill If you look at all my words, rather than just some of them, I said I understand your reaction (meaning to some extent I agree), as much as I understand her point (meaning to some extent I agree). I don't imagine I'm the only person capable of understanding and that everyone else is stupid, but I am the only person who has posted ambivalently in understanding both views. That is no comment on the people who have a strong feeling about one view and have dismissed the other view after careful consideration.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@JP1119 oh many do just that, indirectly.
Summerbreeze45 · 46-50, F
JT123 · M
If it wasn't for those uninteresting soldiers keeping you free, you wouldn't be posting such comments on social media!
JT123 · M
@HannibalAteMeOut Well other foreign soldiers have helped clean out a lot of the garbage over the years. It would be worse without them
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@JT123 what if the "garbage" are just other soldiers who defend their own countries and their own families? How different is the garbage from the hero after all?
HannahSky · F
Lots of soldiers don't sign up to kill, but they know they can be in a situation where it can happen. I disagree with your view here. Having known many soldiers, that is not what they are.
Pfuzylogic · M
I am Navy and we just had the D-day celebration.
The timing of criticism seems a bit off.
The timing of criticism seems a bit off.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Pfuzylogic I don't even know what the D-day is so I definitely didn't do it on purpose.
Pfuzylogic · M
@HannibalAteMeOut
One of the major battles for WW2, it just celebrated the 75th anniversary of landing on Normandy beach. 150,000 landed in France to confront the Nazis and 10,000 allies died.
One of the major battles for WW2, it just celebrated the 75th anniversary of landing on Normandy beach. 150,000 landed in France to confront the Nazis and 10,000 allies died.
SW-User
That is certainly NOT wisdom speaking.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@SW-User I never claimed it to be
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@JaggedLittlePill no, I don't think so
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
@HannibalAteMeOut that is the difference between a hero and a serial killer...the difference between a hero and you.
If it were not for those soldiers..you would not have the ability to be on this site typing some bullshitake about how soldiers aren't heroes.
If it were not for those soldiers..you would not have the ability to be on this site typing some bullshitake about how soldiers aren't heroes.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@JaggedLittlePill you don't know that "if there weren't soldiers, I wouldn't have the ability to exist" etc. If my grandma has wings she could fly.
You know what the difference between a serial killer soldier and a hero soldier is, is that one didn't really choose to do it for money.
You know what the difference between a serial killer soldier and a hero soldier is, is that one didn't really choose to do it for money.