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The FSM move is merely a sarcastic, unfounded, feeble attempt at poking fun of Christians. Even the creator of this nonsense, Henderson, knows this.

The difference between belief in God and belief in Flying Spaghetti Monsterism is this:

Belief in God is rational, and supported by good reasons, and belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is irrational and not supported by any good reasons. Bobby Henderson commits a logical fallacy, when he says that there are no good reasons for belief in God. Despite his claim to the contrary, Christianity is rationally defensible. There are difficult questions that we must ask ourselves as Christians, but the fact that there are difficult questions, is not grounds for dismissing Christianity. As believers, our pursuit of answers to our own deep-seated spiritual questions, draws us further into the intellectual richness of the Christian faith.

His premise is false. It is not the case that “there is no evidence for the existence of the Judeo-Christian God.” Mr. Henderson may not [i]accept[/i] the evidence for the existence of the Judeo-Christian God, but he offers nothing by way of demonstrating that the classical and contemporary arguments for God’s existence are false. Even if he adequately refuted several arguments given by theists for the belief in God, he would still not be justified in saying that “there is NO evidence for the existence of God.”

Many arguments have been given for the existence of God. For example, there are cosmological arguments (arguments for a first cause), teleological arguments (arguments for a Grand Designer), moral arguments (arguments for a Moral Lawgiver), and others. Anyone who is serious about the question of God must deal with these arguments charitably and thoroughly before dogmatically rejecting belief in God. To reject the existence of God “because I can’t think of any good reasons to believe in God” is not in keeping with the most influential thinkers in Western civilization. Almost all major philosophers and thinkers have dealt with the existence of God, and most of them accepted some form of belief in a God. A large number of philosophers have argued for their belief in the existence of God.

The argument is not that belief in God is true BECAUSE so many people believe that God exists. Rather, it is simply an irrefutable fact that many brilliant minds have pondered the God question and come to the conclusion that He does, in fact, exist. This fact, while it doesn’t prove that God exists, should prompt us to deal with the question of God’s existence with seriousness and intellectual honesty.
TheWildEcho · 56-60, M
@LadyGrace yes I agree totally
TheWildEcho · 56-60, M
I can't take people seriously who go wittering on about that spaghetti monster
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@ForgottenLore37 then supposedly kills everyone with flood after he supposedly gave them "free will"
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Sharon That and most religions contain pretty straightforward guidelines and philosophies on life that often work well for most people - after all, they're part of how we have ran societies for thousands of years. In a similar vein, scientology includes a lot of applied psychology and counseling, which often works - that's why we invented that stuff to begin with.

But none of that makes Xenu real.
I'd rather be a Pastafarian than a Christian anyday.
Sharon · F
@Butterflykisses24 [quote]I can't explain what happened besides God[/quote]
Maybe not but the doctors should at least have documented the event.

[quote]I do not rejoice when a loved one dies as a matter of fact I miss them and am sad.[/quote]
Why? Don't you believe they're going to heaven? As I said, according to christian mythology the separation is only temporary. Why not concentrate on looking forward to the time you'll meet them again?
@Butterflykisses24 YES!!!! BEAUTIFUL TESTIMONY!!! THANK YOU!!!
@Butterflykisses24 Yes indeed, your mother's healing was a miracle!! Just like when God healed my anorexic daughter!! From 250 lbs down to 85!! When the doctors all said there was no hope and her organs were shutting down and they said she'd be dead by next week!! Don't tell me there's no God, world! Prayer works!! RIGHT ON, DAISY!!
Not quite the same. There is considerable evidence that spaghetti exists in the real world.
@Sharon He's just playing the fool again. He's getting quite good at it.
Sharon · F
@NortiusMaximus I'm not sure he's just playing the fool.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@NortiusMaximus @Sharon [quote]He's just playing the fool again. He's getting quite good at it.[/quote]

You guys can do better than that. Or can you?
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into Hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;
He ascended into Heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.[b][c=#BF0000][/c][/b]
4meAndyou · F
@puck61 Amen.
[b][c=#BF0000]>>>>>>>>>>> [/c][/b] I have to say that "catholic" means 'universal'. I am a primitive Baptist. Today's Catholic church for the most part has nothing to do with Christianity.
there are always exceptions to the rule, but Catholic and Christian are two totally separate doctrines.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@puck61 [quote]I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,[/quote]

Amen, brother.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
You can be certain your God exists if you want but your certainty doesn't affect reality..now THAT i am certain of.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@GodSpeed63 A joke is a joke. Learn to differentiate
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@Entwistle [quote]I don't need to. It stands to reason.[/quote]
I think the term is "it's self-evident". ;)
@Entwistle [quote]A joke is a joke. [/quote]
He thinks that him simply saying you've lost the debate means you really have. It's his way of avoiding the issue. Typical christian hubris.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
I have generally come to hold the view that belief in deities is more of a mental disorder than anything else. I hope some day it will be treatable as such and covered by most insurance plans.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
@GodSpeed63 That's not a very solid argument. Time is of no importance to a god. evolution is merely existence in a static/imaginary continuity. everything happens in the same instant to a god. evolution is only apparent to mortals.
Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63 [quote]How have I done that?[/quote]
Are you having memory problems again? By professing a belief in a mythical being of course.

There's only one God, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, who lives forever and it's Him alone that you have to disprove. r'Amen.
@Sharon [quote]Are you having memory problems again[/quote]
His memory often fails like that, it could be his age or maybe a lifetime believing in myths.
Rose0415 · 36-40, F
I just cannot take this Flying Spaghetti Monster theory seriously. If there is such a thing, why hasn't anyone caught it and ate it yet? 🤭
Sharon · F
@Rose0415 Our Lord FSM is eternal so would just regenerate if any part were eaten. [i]"Pasta la vista"[/i]
TheWildEcho · 56-60, M
@Rose0415 whoever caught it probably doesn't like spaghetti lol
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
@Rose0415 like the eucharist, you eat your God, but rather than at church, at good Italian restaurants!
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
The only problem I have with this view is that there are billions of people who believe in a god that is all knowing and loving, who created everyone and everything... But they're all different gods ....
@ozgirl512 If you don't mind, here is an article in which I address this, if you'd like to read it. https://similarworlds.com/19-Spirituality-Religion/3612822-Do-you-believe-all-paths-lead-to-God-and-heaven
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
No, believing in god is comforting to some.
Spaghetti monsters is just pointing out the irrationality of believing in imaginary things.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@FreeSpirit1 [quote]It's beyond your comprehension[/quote]

I doubt that. Be safe also.
@Sharon A nice, warm plate of spaghetti is one of the most comforting things i know.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster has done more for me than the so - called Christian god ever did
Sharon · F
@ForgottenLore37 r'Amen, brother, r'Amen.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
Are you suggesting god is gay?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 [quote]Your post is comparing "god" with spaghetti. [/quote]

Where'd you get the idea that I was comparing God with spaghetti?
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@GodSpeed63 Why mention spaghetti?!!
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 [quote]Why mention spaghetti?!![/quote]

You didn't answer my question.
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Rhodesianman · 56-60, M
yes its like believing in fairies
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Rhodesianman [quote]yes its like believing in fairies[/quote]

Why is that?
Sharon · F
What evidence is there of your preferred god that cannot be attributed to one or more other gods?
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
Once you see the absurdity of a God, you cannot unsee it!!
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 [quote]Once you see the absurdity of a God, you cannot unsee it!![/quote]

What absurdity would that be, Harriet?
plungesponge · 41-45, M
What if they are the same being?
LordShadowfire · 46-50
Argumentum ad populum fallacy.
Since it's atheists who believe in the FSM it's [i]complely[/i] different. It's also "rational".
Upon reflection, I'm not sure this post is worthwhile. I don't think the FSM ever caused anyone to doubt God. The only people who think this a powerful argument against God already believe that anyone who believes in God is just stupid. Anyone else would only be driven to doubt atheism.
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP But that wasn't the aim of FSM enthusiasts, to cause doubt. It was a feeble attempt to make fun of Christianity.
@LadyGrace don't tell me. Tell the author of the vid.
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP It was only an observation, not an accusation.
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