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Re opening is a crazy idea...

... Unless you have proper testing. The virus is still at large and there is a decline in new casrs BECAUSE of the lockdown. This doesnt prove the lockdown is unnecessary but that it is necessary. If you open up, you need to be able to isolate and control the virus or its Groundhog Day for the black death.
Peapod · 61-69, F Best Comment
To read some of these comments makes me realize just how uninformed and how heartless some people really are.

My wonderful MIL lived to be 98. If she had gotten COVID and died at let's say at the age of 78, that would have been 20 years her loved ones would have been cheated.

Too many people are much younger though that get this and can and do die. We simply don't know exactly who those people are yet.

To die of COVID is comparable to drowning very slowly and very agonizingly. Imagine also that they go through all that not having anyone they love to even hold their hand!! Many people facing a respirator know they have an 80% chance of never coming off...ever!

People, just think for a moment as you sit there at your keyboards, able to breathe. The US is certainly not the only major country to shut down to strategize on how to reopen slowly and smartly. It's pathetic and sad people are so divided, straight down political lines too.
Peapod · 61-69, F
@MarkPaul I think it is a little of all that.

I just knew when Donald Trump got elected, I was really worried about society on a larger scale.
Peapod · 61-69, F
@sunsporter1649 People are not locked inside their home so right there, you are sorely misinformed.

Yes, governors began to shut down things as the pandemic became known in their hospitals. And this includes Republican governors. Trump called it a hoax until he could no longer run with that nonsense and still have any credibility. The virus knows no political party when it sickens someone.

Anyway, it's late here and I'm off. I know I have little ability to change any minds here, but at least I got to express some of my frustrations.

Good night.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@sunsporter1649 More like entertainers like these 2 guys...


SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
You're hysterical. I don't disagree with anything you said, but as this pandemic has progressed, it's become apparent it is nowhere near as lethal as first thought.

The whole point of the lockdown was too prevent the medical community from being overwhelmed by Covid 19 victims needing oxygen and ventilators. I live in a large city on the east coast of the US, and while the virus is currently raging, its abundantly clear the medical community has a handle on this, and are dealing with Covid 19 patients as effectively as they can.

It's going to be a phased approach to re-opening. We will reopen slowly. People will continue to follow safety protocols such as mask wearing, social distancing, and hand washing.

People will still get it. Some of those people will die, unfortunately.

But we can't stay locked down forever. You, as usual, are being impacted by propaganda telling you to be scared, and that your government is botching the response to this. I'd like to suggest you take a step back and look at the larger picture. We can't just stay closed forever, and this was always a temporary measure.
@SumKindaMunster So you are getting pleasure from it?
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@SumKindaMunster
I guess you haven't followed the Budwick conversation either 😂😂😂

It's kinda telling how deep the hurt goes since you randomly bumped in there too. 😂

Like how manny stories did I barge into and said something to you before you said something to me in the last 3 months? The answer is 1, I answered your pestering too Zeurosis. And since then, you stick too me like glue because you believe I'm in need of your attention. Are you that lonely Munster. 😂 Do you think when someone corrects you, that they are actually saying: "we should talk a lot this week" 😂
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@canusernamebemyusername Nope. It's a grim slog of heavy responsibility.
Miklee02 · 51-55, F
You stay locked down ..... anyone not ready should stay locked down
But the rest of us are ready to live again
@Burnley123 There is a big difference between "what is" and "what out to be".

You are right. It need not be a choice of personal safety over the economy. That is what people like Mother Jones fought for.

But I'm not seeing the values in American to underwrite social and economic survival.

That is why I worded my comment as I did. "... we have created a way of being for ourselves..." This is the product of contemporary American values right now.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@CopperCicada Even Britain is underwriting the salaries of private sector workers by 80 percent and we are a Conservative country. The democrats should be pushing for that. Im not saying its easy, just that there are other choices.

Judging by the comments here, a lot of non republicans are getting sick of the lockdown. I worry that public opinion will break it in your country and the conseqiences would be horrific. I hope im wrong and wish you well.
@Burnley123 I think there is a difference between "being sick of the lockdown" and knowing that their [i]$1200 stimulus check[/i] isn't going to carry them for 18 months until a vaccine is developed. Nor is the [i]maximum[/i] unemployment benefit of $275/week for [i]no more than 23 weeks[/i] in Florida. People are having a hell of a time just applying on line in this state.

Like I worded it. The way of being we've made for ourselves.

There is no way we'll underwrite 80% of wages.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
According to www.worldometers.info there have been 2.6 million confirmed cases of corona virus. 97% of those are mild not requiring hospitalization. Of the 3% who are hospitalized, about 20% become a casualty of the virus. That comes out to about 0.6% fatality rate worldwide. And those are only confirmed cases. Several sources have alluded to there being a host more people who have had the virus but self medicated and recovered on their own. Something like 80% of fatalities have been over the age of 65. It is bad for seniors, the good news there is that many seniors are retired and aren't in the work force. There are a lot of younger folks who haven't had time or wages to save for an emergency, they are in danger of losing insurance, homes, etc., if we don't start back to work. It isn't as bad as they thought it would be, someone has to accept the egg on their face for the overreaction. I deal with a number of law enforcement and EMS agencies and have been traveling to keep these services operating for three weeks of the shutdown. Following the recommendations for washing hands and wearing a mask has worked for me. There is talk of a second wave of infections, the second wave will be worse if more people don't have insurance or jobs. The world never shutdown for MERS or SARS, the response to the corona virus is an over reaction.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@daisymay I didn't save a link for every article I read but if you read a few, you will see mention of people who test positive for the virus but didn't go to the doctor, one article was about testing people who think they might have had it because they are using plasma from people who did get better on their own to treat critical cases.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Roadsterrider Anything that does not fit their narrative is immediately dismissed as hokey
daisymay · 51-55, T
@Roadsterrider It's all moot now, anyway.

The new miracle cure is to inject yourself with disinfectant or shower your internal organs and entire body cavity with UV radiation according to the D-man himself.

We can only hope his true and trusted emissaries can get that word out to the faithful before the fakestream media and the libs try to convince people they should stay sick or not try to prevent infection.
raysam363 · 31-35, F
I can understand the more rural areas and lowest affected states opening very slowly, but too many want have an "Open everything now" mindset, which would likely lead to serious complications. The main argument is that a one-size-fits-all model isn't right when most cases are in NY, but they forget how often (and how easily) people travel. Nobody likes being cooped up, but it's almost a necessary evil.

Don't get me started on people protesting masks and social distancing.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@raysam363 So you are going to mugwump and be critical no matter what the outcome?
raysam363 · 31-35, F
@sunsporter1649 I prefer to err on the side of caution. You know, logical. Especially since my neighborhood has over 20 cases requiring hospitalization. At least we won't have to meet in person.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@raysam363 LOL, logical? 22 million out of work because new york is screwed up?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@InOtterWords Where you gonna get all those test kits, who is going to analyze those tests, and who is going to pay for all those tests?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 Make them, the health service and the government.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
We are going to find out next week, about 80% of states are opening back up for business on the 30th. Another part ore opening things back up the first week of May and the last few are opening towards the end of May. The fatality rate for the US is about 0.15%, up 3/100ths from 0.12% last week. It is worse in other parts of the world, 7% globally, I guess the healthcare system in the US is doing pretty good compared to other nations who are at 3-6% fatality rate per million.
@sunsporter1649 Lol. You haven't offered anything except right wing ideology in complete contradiction to reality and dusty anti communist cliches that were dated when you were a child.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Then come out from under your igloo, matters not one bit to me
@sunsporter1649 Says the guy with his head buried 6 feet underground.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
The virus should be a science issue but (particularly for Americans it must be said) its a partisan culture war divide. Its like climate change debates ffs. This shouldn't be a thing.
daisymay · 51-55, T
@Burnley123 Agreed. But, the stupid people get participation trophies (their ignorance and stupidity MUST be given the same and equal weight of consideration as intelligence and rationality) and the ability to vote and generally have more time on their hands being the lazy, unemployed moochers that they are. Mind you, it's not THEIR fault. It's the fault of some minority or other minority. They've always known those minorities are just out to get them.

Plus, Republicans keep telling them that any second now that whole "trickle-down economics" thing is totally going to pay off for them and they'll be living high on the hog and shitting in cotton right there on easy street. And, of course, being the brainwash-conditioned, credulous simpletons that they are, they believe it.

So, yeah, they vote in every election, while people that want to work for a living or have jobs that require a lot of their time don't vote as often.

Rinse. Repeat.

For 60 years.

Ta-da!
Just some of the comments here are incredible.

Firstly people think it is ok to not care for the elderly....but it is not just the elderly that are dying is it? It is everyone in the health services and their families most at risk after that group. And what of those with heart disease, diabetes, cancer, asthma? They are high risk.

And then if people do get it, dying is just the worst side effect, but people can end up with serious lung damage, respiratory problems for the rest of their life.

What is a few months of our lives for the sake of many. I do not understand why some people are just not getting it.
@sunsporter1649 of course I have sympathies with those people unable to work, my family falls into that category, but unchecked this virus could kill 10% of the population.

A few months out of our lives, that is all.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@InOtterWords Stay under the porch
@sunsporter1649 my husband is a key worker, I hope people do
Quizzical · 46-50, M
This doesn't even come close to approaching the Black Death in virulence.

COVID-19 is killing about 10% of hospitalised cases, in essence, those who are worst affected (of which 90% had a prior health condition that made them vulnerable)

The Black Death however killed 30% to 60% of the population of Europe!


I'm not saying that we should remove the lockdown early or anything, but we do need to maintain some perspective.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Quizzical The last sentence was dramatic irony. My main point stands.
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@Burnley123 Well, it's important to remember, not everyone in the world HAS a sense of irony... We're already in a situation where there are people out there who believe this is a potentially apocalyptic event 🤦‍♂️

If we actually had some mass testing going on I believe we would find that although the virus is incredibly widespread most people are just coping with it at home without the need for hospitalisation.

If only the same number again have the virus as have been hospitalised then that halves the mortality rate, and it's certainly going to be more than that who are effected.
SW-User
The best thing would be for places to stay on lockdown until proper testing is done and case numbers start going down, it would be really annoying if eventually areas have to close again/ restrictions are re-enforced all because some governor, prime minster or whoever made the decision to reopen too soon.
SW-User
@sunsporter1649 Just so you know your trolling is awful.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SW-User Stay under the porch
SW-User
@sunsporter1649 You first troll.
Northwest · M
Yes, proper testing. The model I am familiar with, projects 20 Million tests, per day, are needed in the US, before we can "safely" re-open the country.

Locally we're probably going to see an example of how that works, when Washington State starts to re-open, on May 3rd (projected), with Amazon and Microsoft putting into place testing plans. I really can't erase that Gattaca image from my head.
Im feeling better so I can stop taking my medication now.🤯
curiosi · 61-69, F
Domestic violence is up and worse child abuse is up. I am not willing to sacrifice children so grandma gets a few extra months.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@curiosi Wow I didn't know those abuse cases were up, I guess that's easy to explain though. Kids usually go to school or can find ways to get away from an abusive parent but if they're locked down, then it would be magnified.

That's scary and pisses me off a bit.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Geez, I thought this whole time that the lockdown was to flatten the curve so the hospitals would not get overrun with kung flu victims.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
[image deleted]Stay at home orders forcing some people to do their own hair & make up!
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
I look it as dumb as dumb can be, IF the idiots wnat to go back to normal let them, IF they come down with it then tough THEY knew the risk, I'm so fed up of so many people thinking they are immune to it.

I know its harsh but EVERYONE knows the risks now.
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
Agreed its just a matter of when because the longer we stay locked down the worse its going to be later. Worst case is we get re-infections and it becomes something we just have to face at some point.
Are you referring to the imfamous Anderson Cooper interview with the mayor of Lost Vegas?

She seemed either like she was dropping some serious acid or has lost her mind.
Chevy454 · 46-50, M
No it’s not!!!!
JeanAnna · F
It's crazy and very dangerous. We've waited this long, we can stay sheltered for as long as it takes.

 
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