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LBGT Kills an American Institution

The Boy Scouts are 110 years old.
One of the finest organizations imaginable.
Teaching boys and young men skills, moral code, challenge, responsibility was what they were all about.

LGBT gained a little popularity in recent years and decided that Boy scouts were not inclusive enough for them. They wanted girls to join the boys club.

That was damaging enough when scout leadership caved to their demands.
Now, the LBGT of old that abused boys decades ago left damaging scars on those kids,now grown and they're suing in such great number - the scouts are going bankrupt.

It seems that everything the left gets hold of is ruined, broken, soured and over all destroyed.

Care to comment?
helensusanswift · 26-30, F Best Comment
Baden Powell had a great idea with the Scouts after the Boer War. It brought boys from the slums into the outdoors and introduced them to camping and wildlife. It spread around the world from the UK - and BP's sister started the Girl Guides for girls with the same ideas.

Now - I hope it can be revived with the original ideas. Politicising such a fantastic movement that was intended to help children is simply wrong.

FaeLuna · 31-35, F
So... you acknowledge the organization harbored pedophiles for decades, and their victims are finally getting justice. And you're blaming LGBT people for destroying the scouts, not the pedophiles? Not the leadership that looked the other way while these crimes were being committed?
SW-User
@FaeLuna To people like Budwick, LGBT and pedophiles are the same thing, but they're not. The Boy Scouts were ruined by pedophiles, not by the LGBT community. Pedophiles are going to be drawn to occupations where they can be close to children. The Boy Scouts decided to be silent about it and cover it up rather than face the issue head-on. The Catholic Church did the same thing. Silence and a cover-up are not the way to handle child abuse in your institution.
@FaeLuna
This !
2cool4school · 46-50, F
@Budwick
“the LGBT community does not support pedophiles;

Good to know!
Some common ground!“

Suddenly Woke. But prob not really.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
So you're buttblasted that people won't stay quiet about decades worth of abuse, and you're blaming the left 🤔
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@QuixoticSoul Of course he is .... the opportunity was far too tempting to pass up.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
I think you'll find it was the child abuse hun! 🤷‍♀️
Carla · 61-69, F
You are so full of shit, bud.
The problem is pedophiles, not the LGBTQ community.
Pedophilia is not about homosexuality. Get a clue
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Budwick · 70-79, M
@Thinkerbell Thinkerbell - your rhymes amaze and delight me!
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@Budwick

Thank you, Bud. 🤭

I seem to have induced feigned shock in a certain Scot, however. 😂
helenS · 36-40, F
There were nearly 2,000 reported cases of child abuse within the Boy Scouts of America prior to 1994, according to wikipedia. According to lawyers, there are 12,000 cases of abuse since 1994.
The scouts are going bankrupt because they will have to compensate the victims.
[PS: It's a mystery to me how this terrible crime is related to LBGT in any way.]
AbbeyRhode · F
Sad to see. I suppose the alphabet people will be moving on to the Girl Scouts next, and the Boys and Girls Clubs, and anything else decent that they can destroy.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@Platinum

Paws... 😠
Platinum · M
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@Platinum

Yeah, I hate it when I lose a claw, trying to open a can of cat food. 😄
4meAndyou · F
A lengthy comment, but I have a lot to say.

My father and brother were both Eagle Scouts. My brother is gay, but he was also born a male, and didn't ever try to pretend he was a female. Neither did he make an issue of his internal leanings. In fact, I believe he hid who he really was until he graduated at the Masters level in college, and he moved far, far away before becoming "himself". You had to know my Catholic parents to understand why.

My father was a Scout Leader for many years, and he earned the Order of the Beaver, for his hard work and community involvement.

I was a Girl Scout, and my entire troop was disbanded and we were drummed out of the Girl Scouts because one of our members had a lawyer father, and he encouraged and helped his daughter to create a petition over an issue of unfairness. Many of us were bullied or threatened into signing. It seems that left leaning lawyers do cause an immense amount of trouble. I was ten years old.

More recently, one of my son's good friends, (when he was 11 or 12), became a pervert and a pedophile at puberty, and this friend's adopted father was very religious, and dragged this kid into scouting, where he said some very sick things to a bunch of 7 year old cub scouts, propositioned them for sex, and he is now in jail. Perverts and pedophiles are predators, and a parent who allows his or her child to go off camping with someone they don't know EXTREMELY well is lazy, uncaring, and neglectful.

My former church had an internal scouting program, and only the boys were able to participate. The girls had their own church programs and learned different skills. They had their own summer camp, and they learned all the things that the women of old used to learn, back about a hundred years ago. This was not a feminist church by any means.

When the Boy Scouts allowed girls to become members, it went against the old customs and teachings of that church, and so the entire church discontinued their involvement with the Boy Scouts. They decided, as a group and as a church, that they could no longer belong to a group that would force them to violate their own teachings about how to raise their children...(which was basically, separation of the sexes).

I am not BLAMING the LGBT's for this destruction of society as we once knew it. It is destructive to old institutions, and we are so fortunate that we can choose to reject the Boy Scouts, or even remake them as we wish, in a country where we are allowed our freedoms. I think they can be continued within churches, for example...as private institutions with private membership.

We really have to remember that gay people were once hated and reviled, called perverts, beaten, and killed. They were kept outside of society, and they were shamed publicly. They were not allowed to have normal lives. My own brother's home was broken into several times, and back in those bad old days, they kept weapons under their mattresses. My brother had to live in hiding...and even tried to marry a female, a long time ago, to camouflage his true nature. Thankfully he chose not to lie and ruin someone else's life. But he was not a pedophile, either...and it is pedophiles who have caused the many lawsuits.

I think we should lay the blame for the lawsuits and the abuse where it belongs...pedophiles are in a class by themselves.
4meAndyou · F
@Budwick That cartoon you showed me...😂. You said your kids said you look so much like Carl that it's uncanny...😂
Budwick · 70-79, M
@4meAndyou Ahh, OK, yeah, occasional brain cramps.
Carl - this guy -
4meAndyou · F
@Budwick 😂 THAT's Carl...a good guy all round. 😂
TexChik · F
Yes ! Destroying established cultural icons is what they do . Either it fits their idea or it’s not allowed to exist . When they said gay men would be the scoutmasters , sounded like a pedophile’s paradise to me ... so we pulled our son out . My hubby and some of our friends were Eagle Scouts ... so they go out in camp outs and teach the boys and guide them
Through achieving their merit badges .
2cool4school · 46-50, F
@TexChik really ?? 😳🙄 that’s it ?? Wow you know you lost. I kinda expected more. But I’m not complaining.
TexChik · F
@2cool4school not really you just aren’t worth the trouble
2cool4school · 46-50, F
@TexChik thanks. Warms the heart to know you’re so lazy. I’m an easy target too.
Rhodesianman · 56-60, M
My kids including my daughter joined the boys and had a great time it was a small minority that brought shame to a great movement .
Rhodesianman · 56-60, M
@SW-User What ?
SW-User
@Rhodesianman sorry put this in wrong place... I'll edit
Rhodesianman · 56-60, M
@SW-User lol
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
Did you just redefine what LBGT is? I don't know of any definition of it that includes child molesters and child abusers.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SW-User He can’t, he is spectacularly stupid about all of this, from top to bottom. It’s just rage, ungrounded in facts or education.

Them dastardly gays!
SW-User
@QuixoticSoul Me thinks he won’t have the same energy for the priests abusing kids and yet being protected. Grrr religion destroying everything.....
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SW-User He knows his real enemy 🤷‍♂️
Platinum · M
Pedos go anywhere there are young boys...schools, clubs, scouts and camps.....they use power to get satisfaction...they infiltrate sports as well .....not saying all gays are responsible, but it puts people off ....
Carla · 61-69, F
@Platinum john, what of the pedophiles that go after girls?
Homosexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia. Period.
Platinum · M
Not the gay pedos.....@Carla
Oh my, Comical Bud... This time you're not comical but plain delusional. You do know what the issues are, right ?

1. Sexual-abuse of children by trusted people inside The Boy Scouts organization
2. A strategy by The Boy Scouts that resembles that of Catholic dioceses that moved through bankruptcy over the past 15 years and limited the assets available to sexual-abuse victims using various financial maneuvers

Right, such a fine [b][i]moral code[/i][/b] they are showing within The Boy Scouts organization. They are amoral, they were back then, they are now. They run away without taking any responsibility for what went on under their custody. Despicable, no wonder you support crap like that.
Montanaman · M
@SapphicHeart I'm still pursuing my law suit, regardless of the bankruptcy. Not expecting much if anything, but I want justice.
@Montanaman
I hope you will find justice and those bastards won't get away with their running away from responsibilities. I'm sorry to hear you're one of the victims of this horrible actions done by trusted people. All my sympathies for your fight against them.
Montanaman · M
@SapphicHeart Thank you so much 🤗
xixgun · M
I wish we could go back to when a business or organization could say, "No, this is how we run things. You don't like it, you don't have to join." AND being a private and privately funded organization, that was the end of it.

Then the lawyers had to get involved. If it weren't for the lawyers, no one would get sued over refusal to make a cake, they'd just go elsewhere. If it weren't for the lawyers, NO business would be shut down simply so some snarky group could feel powerful.
I see no point in "celebrating" LGBTQRSTUV... No one cares what you do in the bedroom, and that is the ONLY thing different between THAT group and any other American.
And before the torrent of labels descends upon me - fuck you, I really don't give a shit and I sure as fuck didn't ask for your opinion (that was the post author)
Platinum · M
@xixgun totally support your comment....we don't force our lifestyle on others....
Synyster · 51-55, M
@xixgun Haha I love your comment.🤣
Rhodesianman · 56-60, M
I was a cub ,and a scout and never heard of any boy ever being molested and had a great time earning our badges making friends etc .I was proud to have been part of such a great institution.Just because a few people brought shame to it ,dont tar them all with the same brush.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
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kyredhead · 41-45, M
@badminton you got a source for that stat too? What was the sample size?

You're quoting crap articles as hard truth.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@kyredhead

After that most recent debate, it's all the Democrats have left. 🤫
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@badminton To be fair Karen Pence booked 2! 🤷‍♀️
Bigguy39 · 41-45, M
I totally agree. They want to ruin everything
chrisCA · M
@Bigguy39 Yeah. Look what they did to the Catholic Church. Those poor priests. 😏
Budwick · 70-79, M
@chrisCA Poor priests?
It was the perverted priests that caused the problem!
Bigguy39 · 41-45, M
@Mikemcneil no are you?
Peapod · 61-69, F
Scouting was not ruined by the left.

My husband is a scoutmaster and has been for over 20 years. Most of the adults he works with happen to be staunch, right leaning guys. My husband is a moderate like I am. I happen to attend scouting events that include family and even these staunch conservative guys are not blaming gays or the liberals.

The issue of allowing gay men to join is an old one. Years ago, there was a wonderful, dedicated kid in the troop that decided to come out the closet so to speak. My husband was one of the first to know about it. This kid went on to make Eagle Scout and is still a big part of the troop, volunteering with the rest of the adults. Most people do not know or care that this fine young man is gay. He is just a great guy all around with solid values that any parent would be proud of.

The adult volunteers go through much training and security clearances these days. The clearances are extensive. It amazes me to see how dedicated these adults are.

I do actually agree with you that the boys and girls should be separated and kept that way for many solid reasons. Boys need good solid men as role models, as do girls needing women to be the same. Political affiliation should never be a part of scouting, period.

I asked my husband why scouting is now going by the wayside. He says it’s all the other distractions these kids have these days whether it would be technology and/or after school activities. It’s sad to see.

Somethings really do become obsolete due to the changing times. But blaming gays and liberals really is preposterous since I have seen the success of my husband’s troop. Last year they won a statewide award, something they worked hard to achieve.
Montanaman · M
@Peapod I made the Front Page of the Billings Gazette [b]again[/b] today. Follow up on the BSA story.
I'm not a victim, but a survivor, refusing to be silenced. 😎
Johnblackthorn · 56-60, M
When it comes to child abuse you are either part ot the problem or part of the solution, scouting is clearly part of the problem, and not just in America!
@Budwick
Funny when you talk about a very broad brush Comical Bud !
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Johnblackthorn [quote]the rules re not followed and if a leader sees another leader not following the rules he or she ignores it, if however you do report your concerns than you are ostracised for being a trouble maker, the same happens if you try to stop bullying.[/quote]

All reasonable concerns.
I wonder if any of it is involved with the lawsuit.
Johnblackthorn · 56-60, M
@Budwick I think not because that was my experience from 2007 to 2015.
*Pedophilia Kills an American Institution
curiosi · 61-69, F
The left likes to call themselves "progressive" because it denotes positive. Those that don't know how to think buy into it. God help us all!
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@curiosi

In the political sense, "progressive" is as progressive as a progressive tumor, or progressive paralysis, etc., is in a medical sense.
Montanaman · M
It has Absolutely Nothing to do with the LGBTQ community.

Pedos are everywhere, it just takes good men to step up and protect us, our young children. It takes bravery and guts and integrity.
SW-User
The girls should have joined Girl Scouts... I can’t stand even the thought of backing down to evil... 🤢
OK, I do have to say...gay men are not automatically pedophiles😂 That’s like saying all straight men prey on little girls🙄 So just because there’s a gay man in the leadership position doesn’t mean your boys are gonna get molested or he’s gonna teach all the boys how to be gay😅 He’ll probably teach your boys to be kind, tolerant and accepting gentlemen.

And don’t you dare call me a libtard...😂😂😂
AlienZipper · 61-69, M
Boy Scouts made the mistake of giving in.

They would have been better off to go down fighting rather than bleed slowly to death on their knees like they are now.
@Mikemcneil did something similar happen in the girl scouts?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@Whiterosesociety strange question. I don't think there were a lot of covered up cases of child abuse there if that helps. In my country it was called the girl guides. Were background checks on volunteers done in America?
@Mikemcneil They are now
Synyster · 51-55, M
There are pedophiles/rapists in every organization, schools, Government, sports etc.
It seemed convenient to pick on the boy's scouts.
Here's an idea, let's make the boy's scout coed and problem solved. 🙄
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Synyster Scouts were already forced to go coed a couple years ago.
Problem NOT solved.

Weird how you have separated LBGT from pedophiles.
You think it's the straight guys interested in boys?
Synyster · 51-55, M
@Budwick Buddy, you misread my comment.

The coed part was a joke, of course not problem solved.

No I definitely don't think straight guys are interested in boys. What I was saying is that there's pedophiles in any organizations.

It seems a lot of comments are aimed at child abusers or pedophiles within the Boys Scouts
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Synyster I understand Synyster.
Of course you are correct.
helenS · 36-40, F
The Diocese of Harrisburg on Wednesday became the first Catholic diocese to seek bankruptcy protection in Pennsylvania, six months after disclosing it had paid millions of dollars to people sexually abused as children by its clerics.
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Nope, not really. Seems like others have already got my thoughts covered.
cd4259 · 61-69, M
Wake up, Australia integrated girls into Scouting in the 70's and is going strong, inclusion and acceptance of LGBT youth members and Leaders has not hurt the organisation in any way. The problems with child molestation stem from those sad and evil few who prey on minors to get their kicks.
SCOUTING IS GREAT FOR [u]EVERYONE[/u]
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
I actually been in a Belgian variant of scouts for 15 year and been leader of a group for 5 years. My group was boys only. Just like we had a girls only scouts-group that came together at the same day we did in the same building. Now things are mixed, and even though the old guys complained about this in the beginning... I never hear anny complaint right now. Even tough both gender-groups went on diffrent camping trips, at least once every two month we organised a mixed-group activity with the same age group.

I guess it all depends on what people call "ruined" of course.

With things like scouts and student fraterinities, I don't get why people that are older and aren't actively participating in the activities that are organised are so heavily invested in "tradition" and how things "should be". Because these organisations are actually a way for young adults to learn to organise and do things for themselves. I think we should give them the free choice. So I also don't agree with activists pushing groups to behave a certain way unless it's damadging to them or the community. My scoutsgroup after a while decided freely to join hands with the girlsquad and my fraternity also allows girls right now... as long as they have fun and behave to a certain degree, then who am I to tell them what to do? 🤷‍♂️ I had my time, let them have theirs.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Kwek00 Pretty cool response!
[quote] I don't get why people that are older and aren't actively participating in the activities[/quote]

I like scouting and scouts too.
When I expressed an interest to continue as a leader when my boys left, I was told that 'it would be difficult' if I didn't have a boy involved. That wasn't in Belgium of course. I suppose they run things differently in different places.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Budwick Boy scouts in America (from what I know of it) are heavily diffrently run.

I personally was with a group called "Chiro" which is a similair but flemish variant of the scouts. We have more variants over here then boyscouts but all these variants are similairly run. We don't have parents that are leaders. Once you hit 17-18 and the group believes you are old enough, you can qualify as a leader of a group. And these groups are run by 17-25 year olds... you can stay a leader as long as you wish and as long as the group tolerates you. However, at a certain age, most generations decide it's time for younger people. When I left, there were already generation conflicts brewing. Just like when we became leaders with our generation, the oldest generation had a problem with our mentality and vieuws. So things naturally cycle over time.
goliathtree · 56-60, M
Actually it was abusers and acceptance of the same that is killing the corporate Boy Scouts. Most troops are independent and unfortunately will suffer the consequences regardless. There is no excuse for using a position of authority to abuse a kid. What is also unfortunate is that the media is complicit because there is no differentiation between what happened in some places vs what happens in most. Everyone is guilty and every scout was molested. Those of us that were part of a Boy Scout troop and had good experiences are irrelevant or in denial.
goliathtree · 56-60, M
@helenS Agreed. Those creeps and anyone who enabled them deserve punishment and contempt. The generalizations that are occurring now are incredibly bothersome.
helenS · 36-40, F
@goliathtree Same with the Catholic Church. Their good reputation is ruined by a small minority of child abusers.
goliathtree · 56-60, M
@helenS There is a difference though. Churches are not independent of the main church and those child abusers were assigned (and many times reassigned to hide them) by the upper echelon. Most Boy Scout troups are independent.
Comment one : you are wrong.

Comment two: the abusers aren't gay

Comment three : this goes far beyond gay people. It's toxic masculinity. Who hurt you?
Budwick · 70-79, M
@MysteryWanting The first Boy Scout troop in the United States was founded in Pawhuska , Oklahoma, in May 1909 = OK, 111 years old- excuse me.

[quote]the abusers aren't gay[/quote] What makes you so sure?

Who hurt me? Mostly the left. They fuck up everything.
I enjoyed the Boy Scouts.

Thank you for your genuine expression of care - you know asking who hurt me.
Success · 26-30, F
Boy scouts has also involved Christian indoctrination, violent bullying, and sexual misconduct. I don't care about its demise.
Hikingguy · 56-60, M
I am truly sorry for your son. Heartbreaking. Pedos have no place in this world. As I said, I can only speak for our local counsel and how put in safeguards against that. @helenS
helenS · 36-40, F
@Hikingguy Maybe I did not express myself well. There was never ever [u]any[/u] sort of child molesting.
Hikingguy · 56-60, M
Ah! Thank you for the clarification. Sorry about that! @helenS
chrisCA · M
How to do you comment on something as bigoted as this?
Carla · 61-69, F
@chrisCA all you can do is call out such blatant nonsense.
This is the kind of mindset that would disallow a gay person from becoming a teacher out of the fear that they will "turn" their students.
chrisCA · M
@Carla I know. Read the news stories about straight teachers being charged with sleeping with underage students.
its not a "left" thing

and

I resent the attack
chrisCA · M
@Whiterosesociety Some conservatives would rather take us back to the 1950's. A time when such things were hushed up.
@chrisCA I got radicalized in the sixties and was traumatized by the murder of JFK and I read everything and self advocate for me and others

thanks for the guidance
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
Hoisted by your own petard.

Boy did you take a beating here. 😄
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
Now they are also funding the Red Chinese army, when will people wake up to the treason of the left.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/cali-pubic-pension-is-investing-in-chinese-military-right-under-gavin-newsoms-nose-indiana-rep-warns/
@therighttothink50 I

DON'T

CARE

I care they eat dog in China
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Carazaa · F
I’ve talked with a few who were raped by gay teens in this organization! However the organization is a good organization it just proves the wickedness of our perverse times!
Boy Scouts of America is just another forum for grown men to hang around little boys.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
Banned atheists, protected paedophiles!!
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Harriet03 Oh yeah?

Harriet, Charles Manson!!!
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@Budwick [image deleted]
kyredhead · 41-45, M
Everything does not have to be inclusive. It's natural and healthy, especially for you men and women, to be separated. It allows them to learn, play, and experience things with those of their own gender without the pressure and distractions that coed activities bring about.
helenS · 36-40, F
@kyredhead Everything you say is true, and highly welcomed — I just don't see how it's related to the OP's post. 😐
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@kyredhead The abuses that are sinking the organization happened long before it went coed, or let gay folks participate.
Carazaa · F
But the problem was mostly older teens tenting with younger boys not supervised which should not have happened!
Montanaman · M
@Carazaa No, the majority of cases filed were Leaders with young, impressionable boys.😔
Carazaa · F
@Montanaman oh I didn’t know that! This is a sign of our perverse generation in the last days I believe!
SW-User
This looks more like a pedophile problem than an LGBT problem or a Left problem.
Bad4U · 22-25, F
i kinda agree here with you, an organisation shouldnt be hold accountable for crimes of their individual members
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Bad4U They generally aren’t unless they are found complicit or negligent. The scandals regarding the Catholic Church for example chiefly revolve around coverups.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@Bad4U but in most cases of abuse they have covered up and tried to prevent police investigation. They have to take responsibility for that. They could have hung the abusers out to dry. They didn't. They lied and defended and paid bribes and made people sign NDAs. That's disgraceful.
Midnightoker1 · 61-69, M
Hmmm,maybe bob a job means something different to them?
Lostpoet · M
I think it was the kahki shorts
YMITheWayIM · 46-50, M
What happened to Girl Guides?
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