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ElwoodBlues · M
Some people like the looks; I disagree, but looks aren't the main issue with the CT.
(1) It's full of design flaws - like inadequate sun visors and an inadequate wiper and headlights designed to accumulate snow blockage.
(2) most controls are buried in menus on the touch screen - how safe is it to be rolling down the highway at 100 feet per second fiddling with computer menus?
(3) It can lock you inside, both during software updates and if a battery conks out. In the summer that can KILL!
(4) Repairs are absurdly expensive.
Kinda missed that price target, didn't you, Elon??
(1) It's full of design flaws - like inadequate sun visors and an inadequate wiper and headlights designed to accumulate snow blockage.
(2) most controls are buried in menus on the touch screen - how safe is it to be rolling down the highway at 100 feet per second fiddling with computer menus?
(3) It can lock you inside, both during software updates and if a battery conks out. In the summer that can KILL!
(4) Repairs are absurdly expensive.
Kinda missed that price target, didn't you, Elon??
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@thisguy20 And a very good reason too.
So far almost all the public ones I've examined in the UK don't even take bank-cards, as some of the self-service petrol and Diesel pumps do, but demand a "smart"-'phone "app" that very likely adds an agency fee or pseudo-"subscription" to the electricity retail cost.
The electricity cost is also not displayed, at least not openly, but might vary by place and time of day anyway. I don't know if it shows on your 'phone when you use it.
I've been given to understand the EU insisted the chargers do offer the card option - perhaps not cash - but even though the UK was still in the EU at the time our government made no effort to enforce it. I have now seen one or two chargers with such fittings, but they still seem as rare as poultry dentures. The chargers themselves are not exactly numerous.*
This is particularly significant in the UK where anything from a third to half of all motorists (estimates vary) would have to use public chargers. They, including me, could not possibly charge an electric car at home - we simply have nowhere on our own land to park anything bigger than a bicycle. Many don't even have that.
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* One motorway service-area I use occasionally, installed some of these things next to the building's main door. Cynically and needlessly, to make room for them, the managers moved the Disabled parking-bays from adjacent to the door to further away.
There's also a widespread belief than one such area, on the M3 approaching London, has its row of chargers powered by a Diesel generating set hidden in a nearby building! Errr, not quite what was intended...
So far almost all the public ones I've examined in the UK don't even take bank-cards, as some of the self-service petrol and Diesel pumps do, but demand a "smart"-'phone "app" that very likely adds an agency fee or pseudo-"subscription" to the electricity retail cost.
The electricity cost is also not displayed, at least not openly, but might vary by place and time of day anyway. I don't know if it shows on your 'phone when you use it.
I've been given to understand the EU insisted the chargers do offer the card option - perhaps not cash - but even though the UK was still in the EU at the time our government made no effort to enforce it. I have now seen one or two chargers with such fittings, but they still seem as rare as poultry dentures. The chargers themselves are not exactly numerous.*
This is particularly significant in the UK where anything from a third to half of all motorists (estimates vary) would have to use public chargers. They, including me, could not possibly charge an electric car at home - we simply have nowhere on our own land to park anything bigger than a bicycle. Many don't even have that.
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* One motorway service-area I use occasionally, installed some of these things next to the building's main door. Cynically and needlessly, to make room for them, the managers moved the Disabled parking-bays from adjacent to the door to further away.
There's also a widespread belief than one such area, on the M3 approaching London, has its row of chargers powered by a Diesel generating set hidden in a nearby building! Errr, not quite what was intended...
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@ViciDraco do you have a long commute?
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SW-User Well, an electric car is out my my reach anyway but I do think the hybrid the more sensible alternative.
mooncrest02 · 31-35, F
Ynotisay · M
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Ynotisay Worst in what ways?
Didn't Ford once produce a car - the 'Edsel' I think - so peculiar in appearance that few people would buy one? I don't know it compared in other ways to other Ford, or rival, equivalents.
Appearance apart, are there technical flaws or practical problems that would make this Tesla creation unattractive?
Didn't Ford once produce a car - the 'Edsel' I think - so peculiar in appearance that few people would buy one? I don't know it compared in other ways to other Ford, or rival, equivalents.
Appearance apart, are there technical flaws or practical problems that would make this Tesla creation unattractive?
ChiefJustWalks · 26-30
Absolute garbage. Why buy a truck that kills two thirds of its own battery just to do regular truck stuff 🤷 then you gotta take 30 minutes to charge/fill it back up & to me that's just ridiculous.
It's good for truck use but only for a small percentage of a regular truck & for twice the price
It's good for truck use but only for a small percentage of a regular truck & for twice the price
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ChiefJustWalks Reading car reviews, 30 minutes to 80% nominal capacity is about average now for an ordinary battery-electric car; with a full-power charger.
That price ratio seems about typical too, for equivalent i.c. / electric vehicles. The battery is one of the costliest parts, up to about half the total price.
Trade vehicles, which I assume the Tesla "truck" is supposed to be, are now being made in electric forms but their perfomances and ranges are still naturally modest, especially laden.
Some manufacturers are building high-performance battery-electric saloon cars capable of speeds (at reduced ranges!) far exceeding anything practical and legal in most countries - but these are very expensive indeed and frankly, pointless.
That price ratio seems about typical too, for equivalent i.c. / electric vehicles. The battery is one of the costliest parts, up to about half the total price.
Trade vehicles, which I assume the Tesla "truck" is supposed to be, are now being made in electric forms but their perfomances and ranges are still naturally modest, especially laden.
Some manufacturers are building high-performance battery-electric saloon cars capable of speeds (at reduced ranges!) far exceeding anything practical and legal in most countries - but these are very expensive indeed and frankly, pointless.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
To start with it's not a 'truck'. Second, it's an 'experimental' vehicle in the same way that drugs for covid were 'experimental'. Totally illegal for Australian roads even if a RHD version was ever to be made.
Telsa will sue you if you try to sell one within the first 12 months of ownership.
Telsa will sue you if you try to sell one within the first 12 months of ownership.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@zonavar68 It would probably be illegal on most countries' roads if designed to suit only USA Construction & Use regulations, but that's a minor problem within the automotive industry. The manufacturers design so customers' own national rules can be accommodated; but prototypes are likely to be made only for their home nations.
Why would Tesla sue you though? Does it actually belong to Tesla for at least the first year?
If you own it outright by having paid its full cost, not a lease or on hire-purchase, it's hard to see how it can possibly stop you selling it. I think hire-purchase means it belongs to the lender anyway, not necessarily the seller.
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I don't know what this vehicle actually is, other then experimental; but I think most of the attacks on it on here are from American petrol-heads who think everyone needs a 15mp[American]g builders' pick-up just to go shopping and take the children to school.
(Oh yes, we get that type here in Britain too - and our gallons are bigger so say 20mpg. When the original Range-Rover, with its very heavy fuel consumption, became a fashion item it became nicknamed the "Chelsea Tractor" - after one of the most exclusively costly London boroughs.)
Why would Tesla sue you though? Does it actually belong to Tesla for at least the first year?
If you own it outright by having paid its full cost, not a lease or on hire-purchase, it's hard to see how it can possibly stop you selling it. I think hire-purchase means it belongs to the lender anyway, not necessarily the seller.
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I don't know what this vehicle actually is, other then experimental; but I think most of the attacks on it on here are from American petrol-heads who think everyone needs a 15mp[American]g builders' pick-up just to go shopping and take the children to school.
(Oh yes, we get that type here in Britain too - and our gallons are bigger so say 20mpg. When the original Range-Rover, with its very heavy fuel consumption, became a fashion item it became nicknamed the "Chelsea Tractor" - after one of the most exclusively costly London boroughs.)
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@thisguy20 Unfortunately such complexities as remotely controlled doors are becoming typical on electric cars being developed now.
As are, as Elwood Blues has already pointed out, over-reliance on controls operated by fiddling with a computer-screen - not only that but often placed to the side of your vision.
Yes, battery-electric cars and vans are all well and good, though I think their rationale a bit misguided, and are becoming much better in some ways than they were, but are also becoming far too complicated for their purpose: moving a few people or small volumes of goods from A to B.
I wonder if there will be a reaction and the makers will introduce much simpler types that are not reliant on "apps" and suchlike nonsense.
As are, as Elwood Blues has already pointed out, over-reliance on controls operated by fiddling with a computer-screen - not only that but often placed to the side of your vision.
Yes, battery-electric cars and vans are all well and good, though I think their rationale a bit misguided, and are becoming much better in some ways than they were, but are also becoming far too complicated for their purpose: moving a few people or small volumes of goods from A to B.
I wonder if there will be a reaction and the makers will introduce much simpler types that are not reliant on "apps" and suchlike nonsense.
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smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
That is a hell no.
WildBill25 · 26-30, M
Hard pass!
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