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Do You Believe Her?

Prince Andrew’s accuser — I don’t.

Call it intuition or whatever, but there is something about her that raises a red flag.
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NativeOregonian · 51-55
Apparently Buckingham Palace did their own investigation and found her to be credible, otherwise the Queen would not stripped Andrew of all his duties and titles.
Carissimi · F
@NativeOregonian You know this for a fact, or you just assume they did? He hasn’t been stripped of his titles.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Carissimi Andrews duties have been stripped, however while looking for the article, it had shown that military leaders are calling for his military titles to be stripped, that is what I misheard, I stand corrected on that part. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/prince-andrew-summoned-to-buckingham-palace-by-queen-and-stripped-of-royal-duties/ar-BBX55GJ
Carissimi · F
@NativeOregonian Yes, and I think it’s going too far. At present, he has committed no crime. Has not been arrested or charged with any crime, and yet the man is being destroyed for the say so of one woman, who just happened to be old enough to consent.
SmartKat · 61-69, F
We don’t know all the facts. However - her life will now be put under a microscope. I can’t imagine why any woman would put herself through that, if there was NO truth in it.
Carissimi · F
@DudeistPriest Thank you for sharing this.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Carissimi All of you rape culture apologists are just as sick and twisted as those who do the actual rape itself.
@Carissimi You're welcome. Although I must say that some of the damage that it incurred on society is that us men no longer trust women. I know that's harsh to say but yeah, I don't trust women anymore. Do you think this is what those hysterically lunatic new wave feminists you speak of wanted?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
I am really not sure. That being said I don't think a 17 year old is incapable of making decisions. She knew what she was doing at the time and Andrew may be sexually immoral but what he did was not the result of him being a pedophile. She was a young woman not a child.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Carissimi He was in his 40s. He is 59 now and he was hanging out with Epstein in 2008 which would make him 48 at the time. Certainly old enough to know better. Thinking with the wrong head one would assume.
Carissimi · F
@hippyjoe1955 I calculated he was 41. She said she slept with him in 2001, so that would be 18-years ago. The age is immaterial, except it may seem creepy, but not unlawful.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Carissimi Yeah I really don't get the age difference thing so long as both parties are capable of giving informed consent. I don't agree with what Andrew did on a completely different basis than on age. A man his age ought to know how to keep it in his pants and not put himself in this silly position.
Zonuss · 46-50, M
I dunno. It's hard to tell because he claimed he never met her before and he did.
Carissimi · F
@Zonuss I think he did meet her.
I get the same sense about Amanda Knox who spent four years in an Italian prison following her conviction of the murder of Meredith Kercher. She was later acquitted by the Italian Supreme Court then asked to return for questioning but didn't go back.
luv2fish · 70-79, M
Personal, I think the Prince had a bit of fun. I'm very skeptical that Epstein did himself in. Too many people had too much to lose.
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
The girl was above the age of consent in the UK so it's no pedophilia but was it wrong cause age difference don't know
I thought women never lie, and we're supposed to believe them no matter what.
Carissimi · F
@DudeistPriest The new wave feminists. I can’t stand them. A bunch of hysterical lunatics who hate the so called patriarchy.
@Carissimi It's refreshing to hear that. Some of us have given up.
Carissimi · F
@DudeistPriest I know, and it’s a shame.
Docdon23 · M
Aren't there many accusers?
Carissimi · F
@Docdon23 Many accusing Epstein, but one as far as I know accusing Prince Andrew. She was above the age of consent when she slept with him (if she did, and she probably did), so no crime was committed by him.
Dan193 · 31-35, M
Back in the day, she'd get executed for even bringing such things up.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Carissimi Like I said in my own comment, Buckingham Palace already did their own investigation and Andrew was stripped of his duties. His interview with Emily Maitlis was a major disaster, not caring in it that she was being held against her will, which was cause for the internal investigation. You apparently are NOT listening, nor caring to take it seriously.
@Carissimi
She never said Andrew forced her, she said she thought Epstein and his girlfriend expected her to sleep with him, so she did.
A lucid and important point made here.
Carissimi · F
@NativeOregonian I’m not listening? I asked you a valid question about this so called investigation, and you didn’t answer. Just because YOU say they investigated, doesn’t mean they did. I’ve not heard or read anything about a Buckingham Palace internal investigation in any news report. What’s your source?
SW-User
Well he lied about not meeting her, that’s the bottom line. He acted like a sleaze ball and is trying to cover shit up. He should have just come forward with the truth. Perhaps it would have been easier. He knew he’d get into hot water for this if found out.
SW-User
@Carissimi I’m not sure, I do however know that there is more riding on it than simple sleaze. It’s the reputation of the royals who have all sorts of political and financial associations - god only knows what...so if you are aware that those actions can affect a whole range of people and affect their lives negatively then perhaps yes. He knew what it would do, and he didn’t care...the fallout from this could have consequences the general public aren’t even aware of.
Carissimi · F
@SW-User I get that part, I really do. The optics look very bad, and I believe stepping back from public duties is the right thing, but it still doesn’t make me believe in her story, completely. Some of it, yes, but without a criminal investigation, there are too many questions left unanswered.
SW-User
@Carissimi Well yes of course - these things need to be investigated through the proper channels, I am in agreement with that. Maybe we shall never know the truth.

 
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