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ElwoodBlues · M
I didn't change the subject, I told you where my morality comes from -- natural selection!
@llswag says
P.S. I gave two examples of protection of the weak in diverse other species; you only attempted to refute one. So you're accepting sentinel behavior as protection of the weak in diverse species, right??
Rather than posting historical examples in support of your claim, the rest of your post is an information free collection of insults; another well known fallacy.
Your unsubstantiated pearl clutching claim about where my morality comes from is probably this fallacy
As I have repeatedly said, and you have repeatedly ignored, so many different behaviors have been justified as "Christian morality" or "Western morality" that they are distinctions that make no difference. You might as well call them "behaviors."
@llswag says
Natural selection has nothing to do with parents protecting their young, natural selection is something that is viewed on a grand scale over time.
You have that 100% backwards. Evolution happens on a grand scale over time. Natural selection is the quotidian events acting on individuals with different traits that gradually increases the frequency of certain traits in a population. Such as protection of the young in a group. P.S. I gave two examples of protection of the weak in diverse other species; you only attempted to refute one. So you're accepting sentinel behavior as protection of the weak in diverse species, right??
Rather than posting historical examples in support of your claim, the rest of your post is an information free collection of insults; another well known fallacy.
Your unsubstantiated pearl clutching claim about where my morality comes from is probably this fallacy
As I have repeatedly said, and you have repeatedly ignored, so many different behaviors have been justified as "Christian morality" or "Western morality" that they are distinctions that make no difference. You might as well call them "behaviors."
RageAgainstTheMachine · 41-45, M
Fruitless banter with a Christian Nationalist.
llswag · 18-21, F
@RageAgainstTheMachine I'm jewish :)
That's an odd question, directing your question only to two specific groups. I don't believe one can gauge that, given the diversity of people's beliefs. By limiting the comparison to only two groups, it doesn't account for the diversity of beliefs and values within other religious or non-religious groups.
Morality can be complex and influenced by various factors, including upbringing, culture and personal experiences. Different people may have different moral compasses, regardless of religious beliefs or not.
Morality can be complex and influenced by various factors, including upbringing, culture and personal experiences. Different people may have different moral compasses, regardless of religious beliefs or not.
Alyosha · 36-40, M
Depends on what you mean by morals. Skipping that, I'd say they're equally infected by irrationality. The Christians believe in immaterial minds. The atheists are sometimes right and sometimes far wrong in regards to their pictures of reality, minus the God issue, based on trying to synthesize conflicting data. The hard problem of consciousness poses a problem for physicalists, and there are those who are willing to sit with that and then there are those who are not. Not to mention the Marxists and deconstructionists. Marx believed in reason but his system does not seem to function well in practice. That is a mark against it, but then there are the analyses themselves, and if you follow the money, you get a grim picture. But atheism is, as the foregoing should suggest, divisible into various camps, who hold to atheism for different reasons. So many of them these days accept unreason as a structural or governing principle, not realizing the evil this is liable to generate, and inevitable, given time.
Alyosha · 36-40, M
@newjaninev2 Animals can only be in the care of moral agents (rational beings), not full-fledged moral partners.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
Alyosha · 36-40, M
@newjaninev2 I mean how humans treat animals is a subject of debate, whereas animals cannot have us in their care. Not on the level of moral responsibility.
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sumbody2luv · 36-40, F
The way I view it isn't the fact of morals but the question is whose more accepting of a perspective that's not their own? From a respect standpoint
RosaMarie · 46-50, F
I know what the porn site and Grinder activity says about this.
reflectingmonkey · 51-55, M
if we compare an atheist who acts morally and a christian who acts morally I personally think the atheist as a person is more moral because he acts morally simply because he believes in acting morally where as the christian does it out of fear of god or to get some kind of reward from god in this world or "the next". I've often heard christians actually wonder why atheists act morally thinking " well if you think there's no god why arent you stealing and killing people?" (I've actually heard this many times) and that makes ME wonder how shallow christian values are. I need no autority or god to act morally, I do it because i have empathy for others. I need no other motivation. I wouldn't steal from someone because I understand that it will make someone else sad to lose their property.
GovanDUNNY · M
@reflectingmonkey best answer
Budwick · 70-79, M
@reflectingmonkey
I have never heard that - ever.
if you think there's no god why arent you stealing and killing people?" (I've actually heard this many times)
I have never heard that - ever.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
Moral behaviour is that which, to the greatest extent possible, enhances the well-being of organisms capable of otherwise suffering.
It has little to do with christianity
in fact, if you can’t tell the difference between right and wrong you don’t lack religion... you lack empathy.
It has little to do with christianity
in fact, if you can’t tell the difference between right and wrong you don’t lack religion... you lack empathy.
Budwick · 70-79, M
Both can have morals.
Being Christian is no guarantee of being moral.
We've seen too many stories of immoral acts performed by Christians.
Christians are as imperfect as anyone else.
We're supposed to follow the rules, but can falter just like anyone else.
As Christians we can pray for forgiveness, repent, not do it anymore, believe in Jesus Christ and still know we are in good standing with our Lord.
That doesn't make us any better or worse than atheists in the secular world.
Being Christian is no guarantee of being moral.
We've seen too many stories of immoral acts performed by Christians.
Christians are as imperfect as anyone else.
We're supposed to follow the rules, but can falter just like anyone else.
As Christians we can pray for forgiveness, repent, not do it anymore, believe in Jesus Christ and still know we are in good standing with our Lord.
That doesn't make us any better or worse than atheists in the secular world.
RageAgainstTheMachine · 41-45, M
Any Nationalist Movement is devoid of morals, especially in the Western World.
BlueSkyKing · M
Morals have nothing to do with ethnicity.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
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KeyserSoze · 36-40, M
@KeyserSoze How is that, do you know them?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
GovanDUNNY · M
Some Christians are brainwashed from an early age .like believing in Santa Claus and praying for Xmas. Athiests see through all that but live a faithless existence. Moral is believe in what makes you happy
@GovanDUNNY The same could be said for other religious groups. Some even today are threatened that if they don't worship idols, they could be killed, and some are. Either way, that's no way to get someone to believe a certain way. No one should be coerced to believe anything for that matter, out of fear, and many do not realize that Christians do not follow Christ out of fear, at all. They have made up their own minds whom they want to follow and the reason they follow Christ is not out of fear but out of their great love for him and what he did for them on the cross. I'm talking about those who fortunately were not brainwashed or threatened to worship God. That's the beautiful thing about choice. People don't have to listen to anyone, but we should make up our own minds, whom we wish to worship.
GovanDUNNY · M
@LadyGrace catholic priests and nuns were very intimidating to young children
@GovanDUNNY I know some were and they will have to answer to God for that. That's terrible. They were abusive, some of them, and especially some priests. I don't think there were that many, but still. It is a sad tragedy.
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MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
I mean hardcore christians probably think about morals a lot more so it makes sense that they'd be more practiced in that matter
Mrjingleswilly · 51-55, M
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At your age..(100+)..you should already know better than to make it a competition.
Neither.
You either have morals...or you don't. Base it on your character, values, etc... but don't try to base it on who is Christian and isn't.
Tired of all the finger pointing on topics like this.
Neither.
You either have morals...or you don't. Base it on your character, values, etc... but don't try to base it on who is Christian and isn't.
Tired of all the finger pointing on topics like this.