@Diotrephes This is such a low IQ argument, Christians were the ones who banned slavery, and then enforced the ban on the rest of the world the western powers occupied! Don't use a few bad protestant sects as examples for all Christianity :)
We both know you can't quote chapter & verse of Jesus preaching against slavery, because he never did.
And that is why Christianity was used to justify the slave trade in the west for centuries before it was used to oppose it.
Similarly, Christianity was used to justify both sides of every war fought in the west - "for God and Country." And it was used to justify oppression by hereditary rulers as well as support for their lavish lifestyles. More recently, Christianity was used to justify opposition to women's suffrage.
Christianity was a convenient stick that practically everyone picked up and tried to beat their opposition with.
@ElwoodBlues ?? Theres no way you just used the argument "He didn't speak against it, so it's okay" ???????
Is this ragebait?
Anyways, you can skew Christian history however you would like, that does not change the fact that Christianity is the moral compass of the west, which I guess you are admitting I am correct about, regardless. You can take any religion, any book, any guideline and take bits and pieces and use them to your advantage, many protestant cults do this. It does not change the fact of the matter. :)
In the context of the Old Testament – where slavery is very much accepted and regulated by religious law – the failure to speak against slavery is indeed acceptance of the practice.
Some Old Testament rules, such as "an eye for an eye" got cancelled in the Gospels. Some rules, such as the Ten Commandments, carry forward from the OT into the Gospels. And the acceptance of slavery was indeed carried forward by many believers for many centuries.
that does not change the fact that Christianity is the moral compass of the west
Sorry, claiming something is a fact doesn't make it a fact. That's why we're reviewing historical evidence. Christianity has been used down thru the centuries to justify all kinds of actions we now consider highly immoral.
Historically, Christianity has been a moral weathervane, pointing towards and used to justify wars and whatever the leadership at the time found useful.
BTW, your use of the personal incredulity fallacy doesn't advance your argument.
@ElwoodBlues 0/10 ragebait, I have seen better debate tactics from Charlie Kirk
You cannot use the Old Testament in a debate on the morals of the Christian world, as the new testament was used by the Catholic church for 99% of the moral code. Again, I know you are ignoring the obvious on purpose to try to convince yourself you are correct, but I am generalizing Christianity, but acknowledging the bad protestant sects that have misused the bible. However, a few bad eggs are always going to happen!
If you can't acknowledge where the western world gets its moral code because you have some sort of grudge against Christianity, I can't help you! History does not care about your feelings :)
@newjaninev2 ??? None of that has anything to do with moral code?? The muslim world has a completely different moral code than the western world, and thats just one example. Culture and religion have decided moral code for 1000's of years. If you can't acknowledge that because you have some sort of grudge against Christianity, I can't help you :)
@NativePortlander1970 That is not what I said, I said Christianity is where the west gets it's moral code. Atheists in the west follow that moral code, mostly because that code is ingrained in our laws! :)
@NativePortlander1970 You're not getting it, you grew up in a western country, so you think that the rest of the world HAS to listen to your moral code, but that is not the case. Morals are subjective, and if you can't recognize that, you're just not grasping the reality of what morality is. You have to stop making this a religious debate, it's not. You have to put aside your bias. :)
@llswag I am FUCKING 55 YEARS OLD, I have AT LEAST 34 YEARS OF LIFE EXPERIENCE ON YOU, I think I know what reality and what REAL moral codes are THAT ARE NOT RELIGIOSITY BASED.
@NativePortlander1970 I would hope a man your age would be able to have a civilized conversation about the history of morality, but clearly you cannot grasp it without crashing out over religion. Since that is clearly not the case, I will finish with this
Again, I never claimed to be Christian or anything like that, I just stated the fact of where Western morality comes from. Seeing as I have proved my point, you can stop crashing out over your religious hatred :)
@llswag I will put it another way, my Ancestors, for millennia lived in the Americas BEFORE religion, or what about pre christian Europe, or Asia, are you implying they had no morals going back thousands of years?
@NativePortlander1970 I'll counter your native American point with, the Aztecs thought child sacrifice was morally okay, but the Catholic Spanish came and put an end to it because they believed it was morally wrong! :)
@llswag How about you read REAL christian history, the crusades, the inquisitions, conquest of other cultures, genocide, colonialism, bloody wars, etc., going back to the third csntury AD
