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Why Can't Skeptics Refute The Evidence In These Videos?

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Here is another video showing scientific evidence for a young universe and a young earth.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Will skeptics show evidence and facts to refute this video? No! They'll resort to ridicule and mocking out frustration due to their inability to do so. They allow fear to grip them like a vice when faced with the Truth. The Truth exposes their world views to be lies and that angers them and puts fear into them. They can't grasp at the thought of not being able to change the Truth, let alone change the history of mankind recorded in the Word of God.

2A fool does not find joy in understanding but only in expressing his own opinion. Proverbs 18:2

Fear can twist the human mind and these humans will not be able thing clearly but the Love of God drives out all fear.

Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart. 1 Peter 1:22

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redredred · M

While this is convincing evidence, it’s evidence of ignorant ravings. The earth is 4billion or so years old. This is not subject to refutation by these people.

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LeopoldBloom · M

@Diotrephes Except the Jews who follow the Talmud are not driving the narrative. In the US, public policy is set by conservative Christians.

Your understanding of Palestine is deficient. There was always a Jewish community in that area, and many modern Palestinians are descended from immigrants who arrived at the same time European Jews did. 70% of modern Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, who emigrated there after being kicked out of the surrounding Arab countries. And the Palestinians as I'm sure you were aware were offered their own homeland (something they never had historically), but they rejected it because they thought they could "push the Jews into the sea." If they'd accepted what the UN offered them, modern Israel today would be much smaller.

It's a common tactic of antisemites to criticize Israel by complaining about how it was established. It's hilarious when an American does this. I'd prefer to address the current situation, rather than whine about how "they're not even supposed to be there."

Karl Marx was descended from Jews, but wasn't Jewish. He hated Jews almost as much as you do.

You also haven't been paying attention. I'm not "defending the Talmud;" I'm saying it's irrelevant. And Muslims are also allowed to lie to promote their faith. So are Christians, by the way.

Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom I'll give you a grass star for your spin.

Before WWI there were fewer than 14,000 Jews in Palestine. The Zionists want to grab all of the land in the Levant =

Genesis 15:17-21 (MSG) = 17-21 When the sun was down and it was dark, a smoking firepot and a flaming torch moved between the split carcasses. That’s when God made a covenant with Abram: “I’m giving this land to your children, from the Nile River in Egypt to the River Euphrates in Assyria—the country of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaim, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites, and Jebusites.”

That's the reason they have been trying to destroy Syria. Their goal has always been to establish an apartheid state with as few non-Jews as possible in it.

Communism gained traction in Russia because the Jews were behind it and controlled it.

Conservative Christians might be the face of public policy in America but they are just mindless puppets doing their master's will. The nitwits think that an imaginary Jewish lich is going to give them eternal life.

And thanks for admitting that they are liars. Even the writers in the Bible said that and that people shouldn't believe Jewish fairy tales.

LeopoldBloom · M

@Diotrephes I knew it was only a matter of time before we heard "but deh jooz aren't even supposed to be there!" I'm more interested in finding a solution to the situation going on right now than rehashing ancient history - Genesis? Really? 99% of that was made up and written after the fact in the court of King David to establish a right to the land they were already living on.

And of course, deh jooz were behind communism. The fact that a handful of Russian Jews were party members doesn't mean the entire religion was involved. A bunch of atheists were also part of the communist party, so by your logic, atheists today like yourself should be held responsible.

Next you're going to tell us how Hitler was a great leader who realized that the white man would never achieve greatness until the Jewish problem was solved. Let me guess - the Holocaust never happened. The kindly Nazis only put Jews in concentration camps to try to keep them safe during the war.

DocSavage · M

Like a bible verse is anything close to evidence.

ElwoodBlues · M

So you wanna talk about clocks, huh?

Visit any limestone cave. Stalactites grow at a rate of about 1mm per 10 years. So a 30 meter stalactite has been growing about 100,000 years. And close examination of cross sections shows the year by year layering (where rainfall is seasonal). These stalactites can be found all over the world. The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating.
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Tree rings are clocks. The oldest living tree goes back about 4800 years. But wood from dead trees can contain records of volcanic events, thus extending the record back much farther.
[quote] Originally developed for climate science, the method is now an invaluable tool for archaeologists, who can track up to 13,000 years of history using tree ring chronologies for over 4,000 sites on six continents.[/quote]The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating (establishing age by measuring ratios of radioactive vs stable isotopes).

Seasonal snowfall on glaciers accumulates to form countable layers. Greenland ice sheet layers can be counted back about 110,000 years. The ages are corroborated by radiometric dating. Other glaciers go back as far as 700,000 years, but on those the older data is mostly radiometric dating.

Salt flows from rocks into lakes and the ocean. If no salt left the ocean, that would give an age of 50 million to 70 million years. However, various geologic processes cause salt to leave the ocean at about the rate it's entering, so 50 million to 70 million years becomes a minimum estimate of the age of the earth.

Layering of sedimentary rocks - such as in the Grand Canyon - forms a series of clocks. These layers correspond to different stages in the evolution of life on the planet. The layers can be dated by positional order (bottom layer formed first), sedimentation rate, age of fossils found in the layer, and of course, radiometric dating. There are five main isotope pairs used for dating sedimentary rocks as well as the 'fissile track' method; you can read about it all here:
https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/

Then there's all the fossils of extinct animals found in the rock layers. They're not exactly a clock, but they are an indicator of the vast amounts of time over which evolution occurs.

Of course outer space offers many clocks. Accumulation of craters on airless bodies like the Moon forms a clock. Shells of glowing gas left over from novas and supernovas form clocks (the Lambda Orionis Ring is about 1 million years old). The redshift of light from galaxies billions of light years away form clocks. The Hubble expansion of the universe forms a clock. The frequency shift of big bang radiation to form the cosmic microwave background is a clock.

No one clock is perfect, but they all corroborate each other pretty well, and they ALL give life FAR MORE than 6000 years to evolve.

If you argue "God hid those dinosaur bones (and all the isotopes used for dating) in the rocks" I can't disprove it. If you argue "God built all those layers into the glaciers and into stalactites, made the nova remnants appear millions of years old, etc." I can't disprove it. But you've got to ask yourself, why would God put all these inter-corroborating clocks all over the Earth and all thru the galaxy if they were all false???

DocSavage · M

Ha ! I knew it. You couldn’t come up with any of “god’s truth” . So here you are trying to start up a new pile of bullshit.
Once again , with no evidence whatsoever to support it. Why don’t you start running now, before we Atheist humiliate and discredit you, as we have done with each of your post before.

Run away little man. Atheist are here to stay.

DocSavage · M

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You’re not the only one with access to YouTube. I can find as many video to refute you as needed.

CorvusBlackthorne · M

Why can't [i]you[/i] refute the ample evidence I have provided that I am a four foot anthropomorphic raven from another planet?

ElwoodBlues · M

@GodSpeed63 Still ducking the question, [b]LOL!!![/b]

The Bible repeatedly mentions the "four corners of the Earth." Is it accurate to describe the Earth as having four corners or not? It's a simple yes or no.

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[quote]You got that right. We both agree that the earth is round like it says in the book of Isaiah.[/quote]

What's your quote from Isaiah? Did you mean "Circle of the Earth"? Because a circle is not uaually a spheroid. "Circle" most often refers to a planar figure.

[b]Here's a short four corners list:[/b]

Isaiah 11:12 — And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Rev 7:1 — And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Rev 20:8 — And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Ezekiel 7:2 — Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.

[b]Then we've got "ends of the Earth" all over the place, like
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Proverbs 30:4 —
Who hath bound the waters in a garment?
Who hath established all the ends of the earth?

Job 37:3 — He directeth it under the whole heaven, And his lightning unto the ends of the earth.

If we're living on a sphere, we're never going to reach any "end of the Earth," so surely we shouldn't take passages like this literally, right??

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DocSavage · M

@GodSpeed63
So, let’s get this straight. You’re now claiming the information in the Bible is not to be taken as fact. That the description of creation in Genesis is not accurate. God did not part the waters, there is no firmament, the earth does not have four corners, and is not fixed and unmovable. The sun does not revolve around the earth. The stars are not just little lights, inside a crystal dome over a flat disc. Etc, etc.
in short , everything god claimed in genesis is a lie, he made up so he could take the credit for creation, which was already here for billions of years . Otherwise why not tell it like it is, when he knows that we can now fact check him ?
So, where exactly is the truth of god you keep talking about ? You just admitted he lied , starting on page one.

DocSavage · M

@GodSpeed63
[quote] Do you actually believe the world is square?[/quote]
The earth doesn’t need to be square to have four corners, chunk head
I never said it was.

DocSavage · M

@ElwoodBlues
Actually, in the flat earth model, it does have four corners. They meet in the center,

DocSavage · M

[quote] They allow fear to grip them like a vice when faced with the Truth. The Truth exposes their world views to be lies [/quote]

DocSavage · M

I wonder if Godspeed63 is even going to bother responding to anything here. We’ve already refuted, and destroyed whatever bullshit he posted.
Of course, that doesn’t stop him from making up false claims. But we can still continue to ridicule him for the time being.

DocSavage · M

[quote] Will skeptics show evidence and facts to refute this video? No! They'll resort to ridicule and mocking [/quote]
Of course we will. There are just as many videos out there to refute this one. And they have the research, and peer review results to back it up.
The ridicule and mocking we do is for you, thinking that you have a monopoly on YouTube and god’s truth.
So, are you going to start now or later ? No one has posted any comments about Yahweh, or what happened about before the Big
Bang.. but that never stopped you from making false claims before.

And none of us are avoiding the answers. Nor are we the ones fleeing.
I thought it would be good to make that clear from the beginning. You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you. [b]PROVE IT ,[/b]
I dare you.

BlueSkyKing · M

Time for the zero evidence video of the week. Nothing that has documentation.

Science makes models based on evidence then conducts tests. It’s impossible to model and design tests for beliefs. You’re the judge and jury. The level for your belief is extremely low, while ours is very high. Point being whatever we believe is irrelevant and will be ignored.

How can anyone "refute" claims based on fiction and mythology?

Edit: The book of Peter is [i]not[/i] part of the Bible. Thus irrelevant.

DocSavage · M

badminton · 61-69, MVIP

A Christian does not need scientific evidence to believe. Religion is about faith.

"Jesus said to him, "Again it has been written: 'You shall not test the Lord your God.'"

Matthew 4:7.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@badminton Faith is merely pretending to know something that you do not actually know.

I have faith = I’m just pretending

redredred · M

@badminton trust is based on solid experience, faith is based on blind hope.

badminton · 61-69, MVIP

@newjaninev2 Actually I'm an atheist. I was just pointing out religion doesn 't need evidence, just faith.

DocSavage · M

[quote] Here is another video showing scientific evidence for a young universe and a young earth.
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[big][b]ACCORDING TO WHOM ?[/b][/big]

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BlueSkyKing · M

@newjaninev2 I agree. About once a week he puts up a video, spews bible verses, and we respond to the dreck. GS is just another person that seeks attention and we carelessly feed him.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@BlueSkyKing [quote]GS is just another person that seeks attention and we carelessly feed him.[/quote]

I don't seek attention like you guys do, BlueSkyKing. Just challenging you with the Truth of God.

DocSavage · M

@GodSpeed63
[quote] Just challenging you with the Truth of God.[/quote]

Stop avoiding my question then. Why did god lie in the book of genesis ?

DocSavage · M

God lied in the book of Genesis, his description of the solar system does not match reality. Either he lied, or the bible does. So much for the truth.

Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@DocSavage It plainly says that grass and fruit trees existed before the Sun and the Moon and the stars. If that isn't true then maybe the parts about eternal life and Jesus and "God" and all of the other stories are wrong as well. Imagine, a future where the stars won't fall to Earth and there won't be any hundred pound hailstones or a 1,500 mile sided bejeweled golden cube on a waterless planet that doesn't have any darkness.

redredred · M

In 2-1/2 minutes if this(all I could bear) I counted about ten factual errors and a constant reliance on number like “many” and couching terms like “believe”

This video is a waste of electrons. The supernovae remnants bit is total nonsense. It’s like saying campfires last about two hours so counting campfire remnants would give you the age of the North American continent.

Really, try much much harder or rely on silence.

LordShadowfire · M

@redredred I have to say, we have our differences, but you are definitely more patient than I am. I couldn't stand 10 seconds of listening to that.

DocSavage · M

@GodSpeed63
Stop avoiding my question. I asked you why god lied in the book of Genesis. If he didn’t then you did, so which is it ?

ServantOfTheGoddess · 61-69, M

The video title is "scientific evidence for God". So whoever made this video agrees that scientific evidence is an important source of truth.
There is MASSIVE scientific evidence for a universe billions of years old, and the evolution of species over millions of years.

DocSavage · M

In short…

Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@DocSavage Sirach 6:13 (CEB) = "Stay away from your enemies, and be careful with your friends."

Sirach 37:13 (CEB) = "Listen carefully to what your own heart tells you, since nothing is more faithful to you than it."

Wisdom 19:18 (CEB) = "If we are careful to observe events, we can see just how the elements of the universe are transformed. It’s the same transformation that happens when someone changes the sounds that a harp makes by changing the key while continuing to play the same melody."

LordShadowfire · M

@Diotrephes Shadowfire 4:20:

DocSavage · M

[quote] A fool does not find joy in understanding but only in expressing his own opinion. Proverbs 18:2
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So you found a verse that describes you, is that why you never accept any one else’s evidence and proof ?
You’re a fool, but at least you’re a biblical fool. Who won’t admit when you’re wrong.

DocSavage · M

LordShadowfire · M

I'm sorry, what evidence?

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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@AbbySvenz @Pikachu [quote]So, you can’t refute any of the above colorful points?[/quote]

You have no points to refute.

[quote]it was a yes or no question [/quote]

So?

AbbySvenz · F

Scroll up, you can’t miss ‘em @GodSpeed63

Pikachu ·

@GodSpeed63

[i]SO[/i] answer it with a yes or a no, [i]coward[/i]🤣

With God as your witness, can you explain an error in any of the points i just made?

[quote]You have no points to refute.[/quote]

With God as your witness, do you honestly no recognize that i have addressed and made a rebuttal to the points raised in the video?

Answer me, coward.

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