@Behnamhb1999m There is insufficient causation in the creation we observe. That is the whole point of the discussion. Something from nothing for no reason? Complete order from complete chaos for no reason? I didn't have enough faith to remain an atheist.
Quantum mechanics, the most precise and accurate physical theory yet, is based on the principle of fundamental randomness; i.e. effects without causes. This leads to super weird effects like quantum tunneling and entanglement. So it seems that events and effects without reason or cause are extremely common. These random effects are, of course, subject to conservation rules when averaged over space and time.
There have been attempts at alternative theories based on the notion that the apparent fundamental randomness is masking some hidden causes. In fact, one of the greatest proponents of such hidden variable theories was Albert Einstein. Unfortunately, nobody, not even Einstein, was able to make a workable predictive physical theory based on hidden variables.
There is one cool result called Bell's Theorem that says there will always exist an experimental way (may not be easy) to test or verify the difference between a hidden variable theory and fundamental randomness. However, there's a dearth of testable hidden variable theories, and all the experimental evidence so far supports fundamental randomness.
tl;dr - effects without causes very strongly appear to be the rule not the exception in our universe.
@ElwoodBlues You don't have sufficient causation moron. You do know what that is don't you? The big bang happened. What caused it? It wasn't just an accident. There is no reason in nature for it to have occured.
@ElwoodBlues Why would a smart social chimp, honed by millions of years of evolution to survive and reproduce on Earth, necessarily be able understand a quantum universe? We can try, but surely there is a limit. AI might be able to at some point..
I already answered that!! Here's what I wrote; maybe you should actually read it this time, LOL!!! If you wanna rename the Big Bang and call it "god" be my guest. But there's no point praying to the Big Bang, and it doesn't give you rules of morality or grant you an afterlife.
It wasn't just an accident.
And you know this how??
There is no reason in nature for it to have occured.
The universe has always existed... therefore no need to postulate gods.
The Big Bang was the beginning of the inflation-expansion of the universe... not the beginning of the universe per se
It’s perfectly valid to propose that the universe had always existed before that event... especially as it is incoherent to talk about ‘before’ an event that allowed spacetime to exist.
You fail almost immediately when you cut your god some slack by parsing the difference between “anything” and “everything”. That’s disingenuous because you obviously had to make room for your presupposed god.
Nothing else you wrote is worth anything because you cheated logically with that parsing.
I do not believe in your God existing but i will say that was a very well articulated post and one far better compared to others here on proof of that God Normally seem to just have people copy and pasted versus from a bible and trying to put the smallest bit of relevance on it to prove their point, so well done on not going that route.
It has been estimated that humans have worshipped about 330,000,000 various gods throughout the ages. Each one of those deities has its own name and attributes. So, which god are you talking about? Don't be ashamed to use its name. And remember, the word "god" is just a title and is not the name of a specific deity.
in my experience here people want scientific visible proof of a creator's existence. then they believe evolution is the process God used to develop life to the point of where we are now. also they go straight to the end times and judgment, war, violence, why a loving God allows these things to happen. of course believers wonder the same thing. and our answer is sin and the need for a redeemer\savior to make things right. which he has done, yet theses terrible things continue. He has his own agenda and timetable and we must be patient
D: It came into existence because of the circumstances & things existed at that time, including the state of matter, temperature, pressure, etc. and then the laws of nature/universe like physics, chemistry played their role in the process of making it exist.
Specifically the jealous one of the Old Testament? My adage is: If it’s not science, it’s superstition. We don’t need to debunk, the burden of proof is on you.
@Sharon We will have a chain of events obviously. But that's not what I'm talking about now. I want to see if people agree that anything that has come to existence has a cause or not.
@CharlesRomsey While How is always easier than Why too often science can not explain either. There is no How or Why when it comes to the start of life.
@Behnamhb1999m not really... other then its a very human trait to attribute what cannot be understood to a higher power and I think it was the closing words on Isaac Newtons Principia in 1687 were that everything that could be explained was now explained, therefore what remained unexplained must be divine....
You seem to have great faith in GOD and I think you are a servant of GOD; please watch this vidieo interview at:
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And when you are finished, please pray for these innocent children every day and every night who are suffering and dieing at the hands of these Satanic trafficers who are profiting millions of dollars selling baby parts and blood and selling young children into sexual slavery. And please spread the word.
