After studying scripture for decades I can offer you a short version of why. Because He has concluded that His father, God Himself, had turned His back on Him. Instead of considering the weight of the necessity for the need for saving human-kind through the act of sacrifice (as God had hoped), He instead saw only the extreme pain He was about to endure.
If you believe in that sort of thing. This is from a literary standpoint, not literal.
On a side note, where did you find that interesting portrait? Jesus can be seen as two distinct figures, the one defeating Death (lower left), and the one crucified - namely, the Duality of the Sacrificial Jesus on the Cross versus the Risen Jesus transcending Death itself. Also, are those three wise men to the right (John the Baptist, Galileo, and Martin Luther)? Of course the Holy Blood spilling onto the center man's head is telling. The backdrop is also interesting. Is that Archangel Gabriel in the sky announcing the Sacrifice? And what of the teepee-like village to the right? Is that the Serpent on its own cross up high preaching to the nearby village folk? The imagery is fascinating. Any link?
@Oster1 Likewise, respectfully. I've found the difficult part is seeing what is there, not [i]what I think [/i]is there. Everyone has bias. The removal of this bias is central and not easy because as we age we develop this lifelong belief system. When it's challenged, it's like challenging our own self, and no one understandably likes that. However, a belief system that cannot stand up to questioning is not a belief system worth having.
Btw since scripture claims there are only seven archangels among an infinite amount, the presence of an archangel is of significance here. What do you think?
@PatKirby I could not possibly agree more, with your belief systems. They are founded in age old existence and experiences. Everyday, I pray to Jesus, to send my Guardian Angels to watch over and protect me. Fear is never an issue. I live, walk and love, like it is my last day.
This is the greatest compliment, that I ever could bestow unto you!🤗
You can’t look at this scientifically. It is a paradox. The fact that it is a paradox doesn’t mean that it has no meaning. Christianity is a mystery religion. Really something one needs to contemplate and meditate on.
Your question is leading. Basically how could God forsake his Son when, in a trinitarian context, the two are inseparable? The thing about the trinity is that the Father, Son and Spirit aren’t like a pork chop, a potato, and a roll on a plate. They are a unity where aspects are personified and anthropomorphized so we can relate to them. There are things about the philosophy of language that can help make that clear, but really examining how words are appellations for things, how different conceptual constructs are made, and how they relate to what they describe. But that’s another matter…
This [i]Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani?[/i] refers to Christ’s [i]kenosis[/i] which is his complete emptying of his self nature as he takes on the darkness of mankind. Different theologians have thought of this differently. One is that this aspect of Father, which is wholly pure, must retract, recede, when this aspect of Son assumes this darkness. Another explanation is that this kenosis is so complete this statement of despair is basically the epitome of compassion for humanity experienced in that state of kenosis.
Certainly not intentionally. I wasn't actually thinking about the triune god because that just confuses me lol. I was just wondering why Jesus would say that if he knew god's plan for him.
[quote]refers to Christ’s kenosis which is his complete emptying of his self nature as he takes on the darkness of mankind[/quote]
I do not understand what you're saying there. Can you explain further?
@Pikachu Kenosis means emptying out in Koine. It is Christ’s self-emptying of his own will and self-attachment as a human to fulfill God’s will in the Christian mystery. It is also Christ’s emptying out of his divine nature by taking on the darkness of humanity to atone for it. The idea being darkness can not coexist with light.
I’m sure I’ll be burnt at the stake for saying this. There are theological reasons for evoking the idea of kenosis. But for a contemplative it is an example for one’s life. To empty oneself of selfishness when facing others.
A Freudian might partly say, "The Father is equal to the Superego, and Jesus is the ID cause he is the flesh (God made Flesh) and the Holy Spirit is the Ego. Jesus, the ID had to be crucified cause the plan, the law, the rule (and that is what the superego is all about about, the rule, the law) had to come first. Yes the Father had to forsake Jesus the son, the ID, even when the son was showing such pain, etc." A contemporary editor or publisher might say, "Oh it was poor editing. They should have left that one out cause it is at odds with the rest of the story. It ain't about telling the truth, it's about telling a consistent story to make it more believable. I hope they never figure out that Jesus was just a deluded cult leader. I mean he went from someone who was all cool headed in the midst of a sea storm, looking down on those who lost faith into well losing faith himself. It's suppose to be perfect written by God, instead we're gonna lose some readers over this." As for me, I just say, "Cool story bro."
@DocSavage [quote]Like you really care about evidence or facts[/quote]
I know you don't care about evidence or facts, Doc, that's plain to see since you disregard all the evidence for God that I've shown you time and again.
I doubt he said that at all. It's supposed to be an Isaiah reference and a fulfillment of "prophecy". But all those prophecies get shoehorned into the story at a minimum a generation later. At most all it shows was that he was aware of the saying in Isaiah. At least it puts a dent in the him being God idea. Cause how can an omnipresent God which is also yourself abandon you.
@WonderGirl1 Thanks! I don't know if you were actually talking to godspeed there but since it was posted without reference to godspeed, i'll assume it was for me✌️
{@pikachu] 🤫 well no he prophetcised his own brtratal and ultimate death in a way this seem to be all part of gods plan for jesus his betrayal crucifixtion death and resurrection
@smiler2012 Given that Jesus seems to have never written anything himself, any "prophecies" have been, at least written, if not created after his death.
