winston · 80-89, M
I believe in many ways that Jesus in the New testament did fulfil many of the Old Testament prophecies.
The problem is that different verses, or groups of verses, appear to contradict other groups of verses. Not surprising when you realise the Bible was actually written over a period of approx. 1,000 years. You can find a verse of scripture to support any idea or lifestyle however weird. We need to read it as a whole and see the development of ideas and especially take Jesus' teachings seriously.
The problem is that different verses, or groups of verses, appear to contradict other groups of verses. Not surprising when you realise the Bible was actually written over a period of approx. 1,000 years. You can find a verse of scripture to support any idea or lifestyle however weird. We need to read it as a whole and see the development of ideas and especially take Jesus' teachings seriously.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 If you're going to get sick, go to the bathroom. I hope you feel well pretty soon.
Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63
Won't wash.
Just your worthless opinion again.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
This is just one example of the Gospel writers Inventing a story in order to fulfill prophecy:
Brown, R.E., The Birth of the Messiah
Brown, R.E., The Birth of the Messiah
The Gospel of Luke links the birth of Jesus to the census:
In those days a decree went out from Emperor Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered. Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was descended from the house and family of David. He went to be registered with Mary, to whom he was engaged and who was expecting a child.
— Luke 2:1–5
There are major difficulties in accepting Luke's account: the gospel links the birth of Jesus to the reign of Herod the Great (Luke 1:5: "In the days of King Herod of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah..."), but the census took place in 6 CE, nine years after Herod's death in 4 BCE; there was no single census of the entire empire under Augustus; no Roman census required people to travel from their own homes to those of distant ancestors; and the census of Judea would not have affected Joseph and his family, living in Galilee.[6] Some conservative scholars have argued that Quirinius may have had an earlier and historically unattested term as governor of Syria, or that he previously held other senior positions which may have led him to be involved in the affairs of Judea during Herod's reign, or that the passage should be interpreted in some other fashion.[9][10][11] Such arguments have been rejected on various grounds, including that there is no time in the known career of Quirinius when he could have served as governor of Syria before 6 CE, that the Romans did not directly tax client kingdoms, and that the hostile reaction of the Jews in 6 CE suggests direct taxation by Rome was new at the time.[12][13] Ralph Martin Novak says that these conservative interpretations spring from the assumption that the Bible is inerrant,[14] and Géza Vermes called such arguments "exegetical acrobatics".[15] Most scholars have concluded that the author of Luke's gospel made an error.[6]
In those days a decree went out from Emperor Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered. Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was descended from the house and family of David. He went to be registered with Mary, to whom he was engaged and who was expecting a child.
— Luke 2:1–5
There are major difficulties in accepting Luke's account: the gospel links the birth of Jesus to the reign of Herod the Great (Luke 1:5: "In the days of King Herod of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah..."), but the census took place in 6 CE, nine years after Herod's death in 4 BCE; there was no single census of the entire empire under Augustus; no Roman census required people to travel from their own homes to those of distant ancestors; and the census of Judea would not have affected Joseph and his family, living in Galilee.[6] Some conservative scholars have argued that Quirinius may have had an earlier and historically unattested term as governor of Syria, or that he previously held other senior positions which may have led him to be involved in the affairs of Judea during Herod's reign, or that the passage should be interpreted in some other fashion.[9][10][11] Such arguments have been rejected on various grounds, including that there is no time in the known career of Quirinius when he could have served as governor of Syria before 6 CE, that the Romans did not directly tax client kingdoms, and that the hostile reaction of the Jews in 6 CE suggests direct taxation by Rome was new at the time.[12][13] Ralph Martin Novak says that these conservative interpretations spring from the assumption that the Bible is inerrant,[14] and Géza Vermes called such arguments "exegetical acrobatics".[15] Most scholars have concluded that the author of Luke's gospel made an error.[6]
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Just shows Sigals complete lack of understanding of Isaiah 53 or Christianity or Jesus! Teaching. Sorry. Complete and utter drivel. @CookieLuvsBunny
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@Speedyman
The disciples had no idea that Jesus was going to be executed. Their idea of a Messiah was a conquering king not a dead philosopher. You would be much better off the actually read the Bible that you say you believe
The disciples had no idea that Jesus was going to be executed. Their idea of a Messiah was a conquering king not a dead philosopher. You would be much better off the actually read the Bible that you say you believe
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Of course. It was only after the resurrection they realised what Jesus had been telling them all along - that the Messiah had to suffer and die as the prophets had predicted. Your problem us you leave the story unfinished because you don't like the ending. Note the early church preached the resurrection as it was this that nade sense of a suffering Messiah. Read 1Corinthians 15 where Paul says if the Nessiah has not been raised we are without hope. @CookieLuvsBunny
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@Carazaa
I really enjoy our conversations. That guy Pfuzylogic got so rude I had to block him.
Your positions are well thought out and you are always very kind. I appreciate that
I really enjoy our conversations. That guy Pfuzylogic got so rude I had to block him.
Your positions are well thought out and you are always very kind. I appreciate that
Carazaa · F
@Pfuzylogic The Bible is plain for the hungry, and confusing for the proud, but I know that Jesus helps me and I am so happy that you pfuzylogic is defending Jesus. It means a lot to Him. Because if we deny him he will deny us one day at the gate of heaven. We will be persecuted. Jesus stood up in heaven when Stephen was stoned to death. It isn't fun to defend Jesus some days but He has commanded us to do it, and we will be hated. I love you though🤗
Pfuzylogic · M
@Harriet03 @JBird
I will give you the same credit of not forcing your beliefs or lack of belief on me. I know that I am not the compelling force for belief nor do I pretend to be. Agnosticism is simply a rejection. It is not a belief. One of the biggest “idols” died recently and scientists have seen a newborn freedom since his demise.
I will give you the same credit of not forcing your beliefs or lack of belief on me. I know that I am not the compelling force for belief nor do I pretend to be. Agnosticism is simply a rejection. It is not a belief. One of the biggest “idols” died recently and scientists have seen a newborn freedom since his demise.
Pfuzylogic · M
@Harriet03
Borrowing words from the Faithful?
Borrowing words from the Faithful?
Peaches · F
I think it's more like it's misunderstood. Some even believe it was created to keep man from killing each other?!😯 Many things have been kept from us and the bible is being questioned like never before. Like in the picture of "The Last Supper." The 12 Disciples...some believe one is a woman named Mary Magdalene.
Carazaa · F
@Underconstruction What about Syria?
Zonuss · 46-50, M
@Underconstruction What about the actual tombs and artifacts that they have there in Israel right now that people have seen face to face. 🤔
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Obviously your profile name refers to your brain which is not been constructed properly to think logically@Underconstruction
Is it logically possible that the Bible is not true with all the fulfilled prophesies?
If a person would say the Bible is not true, it is essentially calling God a liar. The Bible is God’s Word, given to holy men of old by the Holy Spirit.
Do you doubt the prophecies? Yes, to date, they’ve all come true (up to this time). Proving they were true. Many more shall be fulfilled. In fact, ALL of them.
Strawberrry · F
Pfuzylogic · M
@Strawberrry please I will take you on your challenge. Make a prophecy from the phone book, white pages for a decent challenge.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03
For God so loved Harriet that He sent His one and only Son, Jesus Christ, So when Harriet believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.
That is God's personal invitation to you and to you alone. Yes, He does that with each and every person on this planet. It's up to you to decide what you want to do.
🙄 SERIOUSLY?
For God so loved Harriet that He sent His one and only Son, Jesus Christ, So when Harriet believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.
That is God's personal invitation to you and to you alone. Yes, He does that with each and every person on this planet. It's up to you to decide what you want to do.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03
Tell me, what does it do to people?
Tell him thanks but no thanks? I've seen what it does to people!!
Tell me, what does it do to people?
KimberleyAnne · F
JBird · F
@Carazaa look, my idea of a God is very different from yours. So, technically, I am underestimating YOUR idea of God. And yes, I am
concerned about other worlds if they exist because who knows there's a chance they attack us. And yes, other worlds are important to me than that imaginary angry God of yours.
concerned about other worlds if they exist because who knows there's a chance they attack us. And yes, other worlds are important to me than that imaginary angry God of yours.
BiblicalWarrior · 51-55, M
@KimberleyAnne Actually, the earth was created in 6 literal days.
You cannot apply logic to something that was manufactured. We know from Roman records (the only proper records from that time) there were twenty or more such prophets in and around that time who called themselves the Messiah. The Romans executed all to them and then used the budding religion as a weapon.
Carazaa · F
@Sarabee
So true. Yes I believe you are right!🌷☕️🍰
He is in the trees ha ha! It is so strange you say that. Because when I am walking the wind flows strongly by the nearest tree I sit by, or walk by even on a completely calm day. At first I thought I was imagining it, or it was a coincident. But if I pray under a tree, or just thank God like I do all day long there is this strong wind that comes, I am always so surprised. I live in a valley with no wind. I feel it is God to tell me "I love you and I am here for you. I will take care of you"
I even have a video where all the leaves are still around me except the tree I sit under.
So true. Yes I believe you are right!🌷☕️🍰
He is in the trees ha ha! It is so strange you say that. Because when I am walking the wind flows strongly by the nearest tree I sit by, or walk by even on a completely calm day. At first I thought I was imagining it, or it was a coincident. But if I pray under a tree, or just thank God like I do all day long there is this strong wind that comes, I am always so surprised. I live in a valley with no wind. I feel it is God to tell me "I love you and I am here for you. I will take care of you"
I even have a video where all the leaves are still around me except the tree I sit under.
Those who research and understand how the canons were stitched together know more than either of us.
Read the history then decide. The fact that you haven’t lets me know about your world view.
As a side note. There is no they calling me anything here. If that’s all you have in response to my post. Then move along. You don’t deserve my time .
Remember the rules of SW and govern yourself accordingly.
Say goodbye speedyman!
✌🏻 @Speedyman
Read the history then decide. The fact that you haven’t lets me know about your world view.
As a side note. There is no they calling me anything here. If that’s all you have in response to my post. Then move along. You don’t deserve my time .
Remember the rules of SW and govern yourself accordingly.
Say goodbye speedyman!
✌🏻 @Speedyman
Carazaa · F
@Texasgurl The Bible is the original writing preserved by God from one generation to the next by hand copies verbatim in the original language. Until the printing press, then it was translated into every language in the world. Many of us Christians have translated verbatim from Hebrew and Greek.
CharlieZ · 70-79, M
Carazaa, you know, I have faith.
Not, perhaps, your brand of it, wich is not the only one (and to say that the own one is the one validated by Him somehow is just human hubris).
But…
That way to use bad formulated probabilities to prove something is not the best way to convince anyone with some basic Math skills.
My full respects to you.
Not, perhaps, your brand of it, wich is not the only one (and to say that the own one is the one validated by Him somehow is just human hubris).
But…
That way to use bad formulated probabilities to prove something is not the best way to convince anyone with some basic Math skills.
My full respects to you.
CharlieZ · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Carazaa, please, help me to understand what you are saying.
That because Jesus has done for us, we should make a fictitious and fraudulent use of Mathematics?
That because of Him, we should give false testimony on how Nature is?
With my respectst for you, lady, I choose to have faith in Him and, for the SAME reason, I choose to be true about all what remains.
He certainly do not need frauds to be praised.
That because Jesus has done for us, we should make a fictitious and fraudulent use of Mathematics?
That because of Him, we should give false testimony on how Nature is?
With my respectst for you, lady, I choose to have faith in Him and, for the SAME reason, I choose to be true about all what remains.
He certainly do not need frauds to be praised.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Painx · 31-35, M
@Carazaa Remember what Jesus said
“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
“Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.”
Stay strong In faith because you’re not alone
“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
“Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.”
Stay strong In faith because you’re not alone
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
I know that Yeshua is the Messiah and that He was prophesied about in the OT however in the modern translations Isaiah 11:1 does not mention Him being a Nazarene.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@CookieLuvsBunny So some believed. Others had different opinions. Imagine their embarrassment when they realize they were looking for an earthly king when their Heavenly King was in their midst.
BiblicalWarrior · 51-55, M
@CookieLuvsBunny First of all, the word Immanuel literally means :God With Us". Secondly, Messiah simply means anointed one, and it is patently clear in Scripture that kings were not the only ones who were anointed. Priests and prophets were also anointed, and Yeshua was all three in one.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@BiblicalWarrior
If you read Isaiah chapter 7 it is clear the Messiah was an Earthly king. That is the reason most of the contemporary Jews rejected Jesus
If you read Isaiah chapter 7 it is clear the Messiah was an Earthly king. That is the reason most of the contemporary Jews rejected Jesus
MarmeeMarch · M
MarmeeMarch · M
@Carazaa why is that important ?
Carazaa · F
@MarmeeMarch Only if you want to know what's coming.
MarmeeMarch · M
@Carazaa na - i'm good
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Carazaa · F
@GodSpeed63 Amen!
TrashCat · M
I'm not sure about that but I will tell you that we didn't have to wait for evolution to run it's course for Shakespeare to write a sonnet
Carazaa · F
Here are just a few prophesies that have come true.
Magenta · F
The only thing not true, are the interpretations of, created by the ego of humans.
Carazaa · F
Here are more prophesies.
MayaHope · 41-45, F
Maybe?
NoSugar · 22-25, F
