That we're "evolved from monkeys" is amusing all by itself but I've seen some people extended it to chimpanzees and gorillas too. I think people who say that really can't know how different the theory is from their grasp on the theory.
@GlassDog It's a common christian trick. They misrepresent their own, flawed, version of a tried and tested scientific theory as the genuine one - then proceed to prove it wrong.
What other phrase would you use to describe the vast emptiness of space?
Also, I would like both sides of this argument to stop deciding for everyone else that their position is the only right and true position on the topic.
I'm a Christian, but I fail to see why or how one view overrules the other. "God said, Let there be light, and a Big Bang occurred, and there was light."
@xixgun He made a blanket statement about creationists. YOU were dishonest and deceptive by assigning him YOUR presumption of his position, which to my eyes certainly seems a fit for the description 'bearing false witness'.
@xixgun [quote]the vast emptiness of space[/quote]
[i]Nothing is ever entirely nothing[/i]. 'Space' is filled with virtual particles snapping into and out of existence, and generating a range of effects while doing so... including light, which appears from 'nothing'.
[quote]God said, Let there be light, and a Big Bang occurred, and there was light[/quote]
a Big Bang occurred... the rest is unnecessary complication that contributes nothing.
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I tell believers that even if there was a God, 1)I have no obligation to worship it.
2) The "problem of evil" has never been satisfactorily answered. As such, even if there was a God, I say "Fuck you, Dude. You allow innocent children to starve." I would never worship such a creature.
3) Worshiping under threat of pain (hell) is sadism. F that.
I don't know what you want me to criticize about that position.
God COULD have created life using evolution. God could do whatever he wanted. So if you still believe in god but accept the evidence that evolution has indeed occurred then i feel you've made a step in the right direction.
[quote] I dont want you to do anything other than simply condider there is no evidence for god yet people continue to live and die because of a belief in something without evidence[/quote]
I don't need to consider it. I'm well aware of it and i consider faith to be an unreliable way of knowing. But faith exists without or in spite of evidence and a perusal of my past posts would show that i don;t allow it to continue without opposition.
I'm simply acknowledging that accepting evolution (even if you believe that god is behind it) is a wiser position than denying that evolution has occurred.
Please stop engaging with people of faith. You have science, logic and truth on your side. Isnt that enough. Do you really have to poke those weak enough to need God as a crutch with a stick? Thats tantamount to bullying the disabled.
@suzie1960 I agree with your point. The current crop of Jim Jones and Scientology are the same as the Mormons of last century and the followers of the God of Abraham a couple of Millennia ago. Its an old enough issue and there is not shortage of stupidity in it all. But really, with science now and information out there, there is less excuse every day for this stupidity.
No worries. It just makes it hard to tell who you're talking to, not to mention that the person to whom you're replying may not be alerted that you replied to them
@Pikachu I must say that your position is a bit confusing to me. Is it your position that everything came from something, but that there was no creation involved in any of it... it all just happened somehow?
My position is that we came from some state of existence the precise nature of which we are not certain. Could even be nothing but i've never seen nor been presented with any reason to suppose that nothing is even possible.
@HoraceGreenley Still makes more sense than Sky Daddy clapping his hands and then spazzing about what kind of fabric people wear 🤷♂️
But really atheism doesn't require any of that stuff. People were atheists before there was a theory of big bang or evolution. It's ok not to know how things came about, the point is not inventing fanciful explanations with no grounding.
In fact i [i]didn't[/i] like your first meme, i was just giving you a free pass on your first post since i know you find it very difficult to articulate and idea which has not been presented to you in the form of a picture with a snarky caption.
