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I find it funny

How certain phrases and words make it obvious who a person is based on their reactions, and sadly, it is mostly men who have the most violent reactions to them.

• Toxic masculinity
• Self-sufficiency isn't helpful to the individual, community, or society
• Opinions are based on feelings, not facts
• Privilege isn't what you own or worked for
• Telling friends you love them
• Hugging friends/physical contact that is intimate does not mean sexual
• Seeking out help is how we survive as a society
• Therapy is for everyone
• Generational trauma is preventable with self-awareness
• Just because you had it okay or struggled doesn't mean everyone else must as well
• Just because you think you "came out fine" doesn't mean you really did
• Self accountability creates freedom from regret and shame

And these are just a few I can think of in 5 minutes. The list is long, and if the person opposing these thoughts actually took time to research these things to challenge their currently held beliefs, we might actually become better as a society. Of course, it's easier to be angry and deny there is any responsibility or obligation to become better people.

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Knecht2014 · 61-69, M

It is a nice list but a few items are not clear cut, e.g. the one about asking for help and self-sufficiency. Would you really want a society where no one can take care of their business? Do want someone to ask you for help for even the simplest things? Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Just a thought.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@Knecht2014 What about our elderly? Our physically challenged people? Those suffering from mental illnesses? As a society, do we just let them deal with everything on their own? Is that humane? The idea is equity. That everyone has an equitable share of resources, including help. You don't just dump those people and let them hope for the best. As a society, we are only as strong as our weakest person, so it is our obligation to help bring those up to equitable standards so we are all strong. That is literally how we have survived so long as a species and is currently becoming our downfall as we turn away from this structure.

MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M

These 4 are toxic

Self-sufficiency isn't helpful to the individual, community, or society
• Opinions are based on feelings, not facts
• Privilege isn't what you own or worked for
Generational trauma is preventable with self-awareness

Self-sufficiency: You don't want people to pull their load in society and support themselves?
Opinions are based on feelings, not facts: You base your opinions on facts, emotions will be present but if you can't separate logic from emotions then you're not reliable.
Privilege isn't what you own or worked for: You can get a privilege since you worked hard, and then you objectively worked for it and earned it.
Generational trauma is preventable with self-awareness: How do you self-aware your way out of abusive parents as a kid?

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FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@MartinTheFirst

That is not what self sufficience commonly refers to though, what you're talking about is the extreme end of the spectrum where people live off the grid, that's living of the grid but not self sufficience which refers to simply being able to provide for yourself.

Okay, but you have taken it out of context in which it was stated:

Self-sufficiency isn't helpful to the individual, community, or society

This is still true and hardly toxic. We are only as strong as our weakest people. Self sufficiency does not take into account people who cannot be self sufficient in our society. Since my context was in the broader sense of including society and community, are you proposing those who can't be self sufficient simply perish?

Then you can say that they're influenced by feelings, but not necessarily based on feelings. You can have opinions based on facts that are influenced by a lot of things. You're taking very small nuances and blowing their importance out of proportion tbh.

I believe I did say that:

Facts do not change, regardless of beliefs, opinons, ideas or feelings. They simply exist till challenged by testing and research. Opinions, however, are affected by feelings, beliefs and emotions and are not reliable, therefore not facts.

Opinions are often based on facts that are them molded to reflect feelings, beliefs, or ideas. However, that does not affect the fact. The fact remains as it is. Our opinions of those facts are different from the facts themselves.

So in the english language it is not common to say sentences such as "You have earned the privilege to carry out these acts since you've earned our trust"?

Again, your own use of the word privilege is reflective of status. Just because one has been "given privilege" it only means they have been elevated to a status to enjoy certain benefits.

I have not created my own lexicon. Look up the meaning of privilege yourself. It says point blank:

a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.

You have privilege above me because you are a man. Society has dictated this. So you automatically receive more benefits in life than I do simply by the privilege of being male.

Are you a lunatic that carries their own made up lexicon?

I have handled this debate without resorting to name calling and degrading you. I kindly request the same respect you have been given. This comment was completely uncalled for.

MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M

@FoxyGoddess I didn't take it out of context, it was barely in any context in the first place! It was just a blanket statement that didn't specify that you meant that self sufficiency refers to living off the grid. As for people who are not self sufficient, that's truly a sad state of affairs, I hope they get self sufficient and hope they work towards it.

Opinions are often based on facts that are them molded to reflect feelings, beliefs, or ideas.

Okay, then you making the blanket statement that opinions are not based on facts is just straight up a lie (Unless I literally taught you something new right now which I hardly believe).

Again, your own use of the word privilege is reflective of status.

It's not my own usage of it, it's literally what it means. It's synonymous to having "rights", being able to do something because the privilege been granted to you to do so.

You have privilege above me because you are a man.

Okay??

I concur, this is simply a shitpost, and no one will ever take you seriously if you can't use the same dictionary that normal people use.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@MartinTheFirst Then i am ending the debate and you simply want to be right and not consider other positions, as well as simply wanting to denounce me. If you can't even be bothered to look up a word and insist your wrong definition is correct, we have nothing left to discuss.

Have the day you deserve.

AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F

@GeniUs if a male 40 year old male teacher slept with your 14 year old daughter would you be okay with that?

If a 40 year old female teacher sleeps with a young boy, aged 14, you see men piling up on top of each other literally climbing on each other's backs to be the 1st one to say how lucky the kid is.

Either way all us women see is a child molester.

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FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@GeniUs I've actually had a wonderful day full of accomplishments.

I don't know how else to read your statment:

If there is a good thing to come out of over sensitive HRs and wokism is that it has tended to blow this type of behaviour away.

This comes across as someone who does not agree with the isms you have stated. That these are the sensitive people who have somehow managed to do something good.

If that is wrong, then your wording is confusing.

GeniUs · 56-60, M

@FoxyGoddess

That these are the sensitive people who have somehow managed to do something good.

That's exactly what it is! Any problems were already being dealt with there are laws that defend people's race, people's genders, peoples sexual orientation and these were all in place before woke became a thing, if anything they enabled it; it's like a man telling every woman he sees he's stronger than them because he's a man, you'd think what a prat nobody needs to be told. That's what woke is, telling people you can't do this or that - we don't need to be told we know.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@GeniUs I can understand this and appreciate your view. Thank you for explaining and elaborating. It is appreciated!

GeniUs · 56-60, M

Give an example of 'toxic masculinity' it just seems to be an insult that is thrown at men regardless of what they are doing.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@GeniUs Not all masculinity it toxic and yes, there are those who use the phrase wrong, just like gaslighting and love bombing.

Here are a few things to show what toxic masculinity is:

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

I knew this post would make excellent blocking fodder. Those who need this realization the most can't help but react the way I have said they would. Lol

AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F

My all time favorite is "Get over it" i will get over it when i damn well please and no one is going to tell me how i should feel. And they love to diminish other people's feelings, its just sick. Humanity is so lost.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@AngelUnforgiven When their immediate instinct is to argue and not listen, they are already not worth dealing with. It's disappointing.

AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F

@FoxyGoddess yes it is very much so. In times like this you have to take back your power.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@AngelUnforgiven Absolutely!

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Kenworth4954 · 56-60, M

@FoxyGoddess far cry from men dear

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