I find it funny

@MartinTheFirst You have yet t9 explain why these are toxic.

But let me take these one by one.

So, there is only self sufficiency or laziness? Just because one is self sufficient doesn't mean they can singularly provide for themselves everything they need. Can a single person make clothes, make gasoline, make homes, make car parts, make electricity, provide medical care, both serious and minor, create medicine, among all the other things we rely on daily, all by themselves? We require that everyone contribute their skills and abilities for everyone. That is how we became a society, through our communities and making sure that everyone is taken care of. Self-sufficiency still relies on others to continue our day to day, which means, it only exists on a base level. Without relying on others, we revert back to pre-industrial ages.


Facts do not change, regardless of beliefs, opinons, ideas or feelings. They simply exist till challenged by testing and research. Opinions, however, are affected by feelings, beliefs and emotions and are not reliable, therefore not facts. These two cannot be conflated accurately because they are not the same. I believe this is what you were trying to say, so we may be in agreement here, however, facts are permanent.


What you are describing here is status, not privilege. Privilege is what allowed you to work hard and get status because you were not held back by age, gender, race or religious beliefs. Status is not privilege and cannot be substituted for it.


You cannot heal generational trauma while being currently affected by it. And asking a child who has not developed the mental accuity or agency to remove themselves from that trauma is ridiculous. Generational trauma is healed once a person can remove themselves from the effects and start working on themselves to heal and choose better. That comes from self awareness and understanding that what you went through was not your fault, but the fault of unhealed others who refused to change.

@FoxyGoddess
That is not what self sufficience commonly refers to though, what you're talking about is the extreme end of the spectrum where people live off the grid, that's living of the grid but not self sufficience which refers to simply being able to provide for yourself.

Then you can say that they're influenced by feelings, but not necessarily based on feelings. You can have opinions based on facts that are influenced by a lot of things. You're taking very small nuances and blowing their importance out of proportion tbh.

So in the english language it is not common to say sentences such as "You have earned the privilege to carry out these acts since you've earned our trust"? Why are you trying to redefine words? Are you a lunatic that carries their own made up lexicon?

Good, then we agree.

@MartinTheFirst


Okay, but you have taken it out of context in which it was stated:



This is still true and hardly toxic. We are only as strong as our weakest people. Self sufficiency does not take into account people who cannot be self sufficient in our society. Since my context was in the broader sense of including society and community, are you proposing those who can't be self sufficient simply perish?


I believe I did say that:


Opinions are often based on facts that are them molded to reflect feelings, beliefs, or ideas. However, that does not affect the fact. The fact remains as it is. Our opinions of those facts are different from the facts themselves.


Again, your own use of the word privilege is reflective of status. Just because one has been "given privilege" it only means they have been elevated to a status to enjoy certain benefits.

I have not created my own lexicon. Look up the meaning of privilege yourself. It says point blank:


You have privilege above me because you are a man. Society has dictated this. So you automatically receive more benefits in life than I do simply by the privilege of being male.


I have handled this debate without resorting to name calling and degrading you. I kindly request the same respect you have been given. This comment was completely uncalled for.

@FoxyGoddess I didn't take it out of context, it was barely in any context in the first place! It was just a blanket statement that didn't specify that you meant that self sufficiency refers to living off the grid. As for people who are not self sufficient, that's truly a sad state of affairs, I hope they get self sufficient and hope they work towards it.


Okay, then you making the blanket statement that opinions are not based on facts is just straight up a lie (Unless I literally taught you something new right now which I hardly believe).

It's not my own usage of it, it's literally what it means. It's synonymous to having "rights", being able to do something because the privilege been granted to you to do so.


Okay??

I concur, this is simply a shitpost, and no one will ever take you seriously if you can't use the same dictionary that normal people use.

@MartinTheFirst Then i am ending the debate and you simply want to be right and not consider other positions, as well as simply wanting to denounce me. If you can't even be bothered to look up a word and insist your wrong definition is correct, we have nothing left to discuss.

Have the day you deserve.