I find it funny

How certain phrases and words make it obvious who a person is based on their reactions, and sadly, it is mostly men who have the most violent reactions to them.

• Toxic masculinity
• Self-sufficiency isn't helpful to the individual, community, or society
• Opinions are based on feelings, not facts
• Privilege isn't what you own or worked for
• Telling friends you love them
• Hugging friends/physical contact that is intimate does not mean sexual
• Seeking out help is how we survive as a society
• Therapy is for everyone
• Generational trauma is preventable with self-awareness
• Just because you had it okay or struggled doesn't mean everyone else must as well
• Just because you think you "came out fine" doesn't mean you really did
• Self accountability creates freedom from regret and shame

And these are just a few I can think of in 5 minutes. The list is long, and if the person opposing these thoughts actually took time to research these things to challenge their currently held beliefs, we might actually become better as a society. Of course, it's easier to be angry and deny there is any responsibility or obligation to become better people.

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AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F

@GeniUs if a male 40 year old male teacher slept with your 14 year old daughter would you be okay with that?

If a 40 year old female teacher sleeps with a young boy, aged 14, you see men piling up on top of each other literally climbing on each other's backs to be the 1st one to say how lucky the kid is.

Either way all us women see is a child molester.

GeniUs · 56-60, M

@AngelUnforgiven Was this in answer to my question on toxic masculinity? I'm not sure that's true; I'll dismiss the first line because that's irrelevant so the scenario is, 'a female teacher sleeps with a 14 year old male student' and some guys think that's great. (I wouldn't say all women would call this out as a crime, because 'some women'.) Actually I'm kind of torn on this - I'm gonna say ok that is a version of toxic masculinity. I mean you could just say it's criminal behaviour and it's not unique to men but predominantly it is. I'm struggling, people of both genders like sex, people of both genders congratulate others on doing something risque (or criminal) but it is predominantly a male trait, so yeah but I still struggle with it, it seems a bit last century.

AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F

@GeniUs my point is as a whole we arent pumping each other up and cheering each other on and patting each other on the back. With a "that's my girl! Wink wink" Type of pride. Like men do. I am by no means saying that women do not molest, thats asinine. I'm saying that we dont pat each other on the back, when we do. That's the toxic part.

GeniUs · 56-60, M

@AngelUnforgiven I do feel this is an aging characteristic for men in general. If there is a good thing to come out of over sensitive HRs and wokism is that it has tended to blow this type of behaviour away. Yes it still happens like anything else, racism, drink driving, etc but even the people who participate now it's wrong.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@GeniUs So you oppose wokeism, I take it? The ability to view things from another point of view, such as a 14 yr old boy embarrassed that he has done something with an adult he knows is wrong, even though it's not his fault is wrong because it is "woke"? Because that is what wokeism is. The ability to put yourself in another person's shoes so you can understand what they may be going through so you can offer help.

If that is bad for you to wrap your brain around, why are you bothering to be on social media where that is all you can do? That is the whole point of connecting with others. To understand someone else's life and what their experiences are. If that's too woke for you, do everyone a favor and stop trying to connect with people.

AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F

@GeniUs its not an aging characteristic because ive seen young boys do it too. Lets say statistically, if i am a 14 year old girl and my friend who is also 14 is being molested by a male teacher 9 times out of 10 as a female i would be disgusted by this and know that its wrong. But on the other hand, if i were a 14 year old boy whose friend was being molested by a female teacher as a male he would be excited by it and ask about her boobs or something. His mind would not automatically default to this is wrong.So they dont necessarily know or feel that its wrong there are politicians who have hinted that they're okay with child brides aka molestation

GeniUs · 56-60, M

@FoxyGoddess Woah slow down there Speedy Gonzales. I pointed out the positive effect of wokism but you ignore that to just go crazy and offensive. Maybe you're just having a bad day.

GeniUs · 56-60, M

@AngelUnforgiven Well give kids a bit of a break on this, their hormones are running amok. And I'm still not convinced that 14 year old girls are any better than boys in this day and age, nobody has done a survey on it (why would they?) So there is no evidence one way or the other.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@GeniUs My experience is that the only people who actually use the word "woke" are those whose political leanings hate the idea to the point of shunning and bullyingthise who display these traits. Much like the word, "snowflake". I have almost never heard a person who believes in the ideology of what "wokeness" represents as such, except when they want to piss off conservatives, so your use of the word is a signal that you don't share the values of that ideology, except, somehow, in this case where you are barely willing to say it has helped some. Not exactly a loud praise of it, but more a begrudging recognition.

GeniUs · 56-60, M

@FoxyGoddess Then today you have met somebody who quite clearly does not follow what you have previously experience of people who use the word 'woke' and I'm struggling based on this conversation to see how you cannot see that. Perhaps you could share which word you think should be used as a positive alternative to 'woke' and I can consider whether I agree with it.
This makes this:

your use of the word is a signal that you don't share the values of that ideology

a false assumption.
I assume you've had an awful day and you have come on this platform to take out your frustrations.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@GeniUs I've actually had a wonderful day full of accomplishments.

I don't know how else to read your statment:

If there is a good thing to come out of over sensitive HRs and wokism is that it has tended to blow this type of behaviour away.

This comes across as someone who does not agree with the isms you have stated. That these are the sensitive people who have somehow managed to do something good.

If that is wrong, then your wording is confusing.

GeniUs · 56-60, M

@FoxyGoddess

That these are the sensitive people who have somehow managed to do something good.

That's exactly what it is! Any problems were already being dealt with there are laws that defend people's race, people's genders, peoples sexual orientation and these were all in place before woke became a thing, if anything they enabled it; it's like a man telling every woman he sees he's stronger than them because he's a man, you'd think what a prat nobody needs to be told. That's what woke is, telling people you can't do this or that - we don't need to be told we know.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@GeniUs I can understand this and appreciate your view. Thank you for explaining and elaborating. It is appreciated!